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Brave New World: Inside Pochettino’s Spurs, the behind-the-scenes story at the club in the manager’s own words, has been updated to take in the events of last season, in which the club finished third in the Premier League but failed to end their trophy drought.

Author Guillem Balague writes in June 2018 (p. 277-278) how matters had come to a head between Pochettino and chairman Daniel Levy even though the manager had signed a new five-year contract the previous month.

“Levy had to do one of two things, either get rid of certain players and replace them with others who were good enough or look for another coach,” Balague explains. “The renewal of his contract at the end of May was the consequence of some tough, but totally necessary, conversations that took place and was an indication of how the club responded to his demands.

“It was now time to set about renewing the dream by bringing in a new energy in the shape of players of the highest possible calibre.

“The 2018-19 season would not be like the last. The club had to admit that it had made mistakes and they needed to learn from them. Bravery can sometimes be at its best when the accelerator is pressed to the floor.”

https://thisisfutbol.com/2018/09/bl...y-transfer-blank-suggests-poch-is-on-his-way/

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Unfortunately it’s completely believable. I’d say the January window is massive for us. Fail to get rid of the players Poch wants rid of and if a good job comes up in the summer we will be looking for a new manager and the chairman will only have himself to blame....and possibly looking for a new job himself if lewis is pissed.
 

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Unfortunately it’s completely believable. I’d say the January window is massive for us. Fail to get rid of the players Poch wants rid of and if a good job comes up in the summer we will be looking for a new manager and the chairman will only have himself to blame....and possibly looking for a new job himself if lewis is pissed.
I very much doubt Levy will get the can....from an investor's point of view he's done a cracking job.
 

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Unfortunately it’s completely believable. I’d say the January window is massive for us. Fail to get rid of the players Poch wants rid of and if a good job comes up in the summer we will be looking for a new manager and the chairman will only have himself to blame....and possibly looking for a new job himself if lewis is pissed.
Levy won’t be going anywhere. And I’d be surprised if we make required signings in January, this hardly ever happens. What a absolute clusterfuck things seem right now. Why would anyone want to shaft our best manager in decades, one who until recently hasn’t seemingly demanded expensive signings? In fact given how Poch has created a multi-million pound squad, he deserves some investment. And what message does this send to Poch successors, if god forbid he goes? That no matter how much success you achieve, on a comparatively modest budget, you’ll never be backed by Levy? It’s so fucking short sighted
 

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Levy had to do one of two things, either get rid of certain players and replace them with others who were good enough or look for another coach,” Balague explains.“The renewal of his contract at the end of May was the consequence of some tough, but totally necessary, conversations that took place and was an indication of how the club responded to his demands.

Wow. If true, do you think it's possible that Levy deliberately went with the 2nd option? As in, he genuinely thinks Poch is expendable.
 

doctor stefan Freud

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Levy had to do one of two things, either get rid of certain players and replace them with others who were good enough or look for another coach,” Balague explains.“The renewal of his contract at the end of May was the consequence of some tough, but totally necessary, conversations that took place and was an indication of how the club responded to his demands.

Wow. If true, do you think it's possible that Levy deliberately went with the 2nd option? As in, he genuinely thinks Poch is expendable.
In our business model, possibly. I hope not but a property investment company is on the verge of completing a state of the art stadium, an asset that increases our value significantly, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he was viewed as expendable; the stadium clearly overrides other priorities
 

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Levy won’t be going anywhere. And I’d be surprised if we make required signings in January, this hardly ever happens. What a absolute clusterfuck things seem right now. Why would anyone want to shaft our best manager in decades, one who until recently hasn’t seemingly demanded expensive signings? In fact given how Poch has created a multi-million pound squad, he deserves some investment. And what message does this send to Poch successors, if god forbid he goes? That no matter how much success you achieve, on a comparatively modest budget, you’ll never be backed by Levy? It’s so fucking short sighted
The only way out for Levy is to sell the club. If Lewis wants him gone, then he'll have to buy him out, which wont be cheap or i doubt at the age of 81 he has the appetite to do so.
 
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Chelsea have won the prem what 6 times? The CL once and the Europa League once. Is that really short term success? They keep on doing it. City, also experiencing multiple successes within our lifetime. Chelsea have something like 50m followers on social media. Spurs have about 8m.

That's what winning multiple titles can do for your club. Leicester won't win it again any time soon, but speaking to a Leicester local, the fans are still celebrating a couple of years down the line.

Chelsea are also doing well on player trading - so FFP isn't really a problem for them - perhaps until this year. Sell Hazard next year, though, and they're fine again.

Missing the point - they have had to spend like £200m for each period of success. Those titles have cost them £1bn.

Look at their "extra" fans - it means nothing to them the following season.


How anyone can "disagree" with what is essentially an undeniable fact is beyond me...
 

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The stadium-cost is to blame, and the fact the window shut early. Levy put all his eggs in one basket, and it got smashed
 

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Brave New World: Inside Pochettino’s Spurs, the behind-the-scenes story at the club in the manager’s own words, has been updated to take in the events of last season, in which the club finished third in the Premier League but failed to end their trophy drought.

Author Guillem Balague writes in June 2018 (p. 277-278) how matters had come to a head between Pochettino and chairman Daniel Levy even though the manager had signed a new five-year contract the previous month.

“Levy had to do one of two things, either get rid of certain players and replace them with others who were good enough or look for another coach,” Balague explains. “The renewal of his contract at the end of May was the consequence of some tough, but totally necessary, conversations that took place and was an indication of how the club responded to his demands.

“It was now time to set about renewing the dream by bringing in a new energy in the shape of players of the highest possible calibre.

“The 2018-19 season would not be like the last. The club had to admit that it had made mistakes and they needed to learn from them. Bravery can sometimes be at its best when the accelerator is pressed to the floor.”

https://thisisfutbol.com/2018/09/bl...y-transfer-blank-suggests-poch-is-on-his-way/

2 things

1, since when has a book changed it's content (or is this a follow on book), because I'd never expect a book talking about 2016/17 season, to then all of a sudden comment about 1 particular problem missing out an entire season

2, if there really is a problem now because of what happened during the window, then why did Poch sign the new contract and not wait for the end of the window and then sign it? because in football there are no guarantees, especially in the transfer market
 
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thebenjamin

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Wow, not much left to the imagination there. So we probably have 1 chance to keep Pochettino, buy well in January or he leaves next summer, inevitably sparking an exodus of players. Great.
 

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Levy had to do one of two things, either get rid of certain players and replace them with others who were good enough or look for another coach,” Balague explains.“The renewal of his contract at the end of May was the consequence of some tough, but totally necessary, conversations that took place and was an indication of how the club responded to his demands.

Wow. If true, do you think it's possible that Levy deliberately went with the 2nd option? As in, he genuinely thinks Poch is expendable.

I would of thought Levy himself would of waited till the end of the window if those were the terms, and saved himself money.

I know if there has something changed in a book I bought, that isn't even at the end of the book, and is talking about a totally different period, a season later, I think i'll look into sueing Balague or even Poch for wasting my money
 
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So an out-of-date book that has been out for like, a year, is being "updated" with an extra chapter written by a journo (as opposed to following the rest of the style of the book, being Poch's notes), and better still, you can only read the new chapter if you buy the "updated" paperback copy...

Smells a bit like a sales tactic to me!


Are we expected to believe that Poch would risk his salary and reputation for the sake of helping Balague sell a few extra books? o_O

Imo, if Poch was indeed toeing the company line in person, but getting Balague to stir up things in books, he'd drop massively in my estimations. But can I see him saying "I'd sign for 10 years if Daniel would let me" to "I will walk away if you don't sell these players" without bumping his head? Not so much. Not a good PR move either way.
 
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Wow, not much left to the imagination there. So we probably have 1 chance to keep Pochettino, buy well in January or he leaves next summer, inevitably sparking an exodus of players. Great.
Ah the exodus line at the end of September.

Might help if they played a game worth a shit to remind people why they value themselves so highly. Football is played on the pitch, not in books and the boardroom.
 

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Urgh, not good if this is true. All I'll say was the last summer market was a difficult one to move lots of players on. You know, we could try to sell Dembele, Rose, Alderweireld and others, but at least two of those turned down moves.

I'm still hopeful that with the stadium coming online, and quite a few players going out of contract next summer, like Dembele, Llorente, and others, like Toby, looking sure to move on, maybe we'll see that renewal of the team in the coming year.
 
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Ah the exodus line at the end of September.

Might help if they played a game worth a shit to remind people why they value themselves so highly. Football is played on the pitch, not in books and the boardroom.

The thing I can't shake off my mind is that despite the currently squad not being perfect, I still can't help but think that Redknapp and Jol did a pretty good job with a worse squad.

I mean, looking at the squad individually and as a team, it's pretty much our peak PL team surely? Yes, we need depth too, but it's not a reason why we play like shit when they're all on the pitch and rested, right?
 
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The thing I can't shake off my mind is that despite the currently squad not being perfect, I still can't help but think that Redknapp and Jol did a pretty good job with a worse squad.

I mean, looking at the squad individually and as a team, it's pretty much our peak PL team surely? Yes, we need depth too, but it's not a reason why we play like shit when they're all on the pitch and rested, right?
As a fan all I can 'worry' about is what is happening on the pitch because I can see that with my own two eyes. All this bullshit about what 'might' be happening behind the scenes if fucking pathetic if you think about it.

Hell, it might already be written that Poch is off and Ballbag is just adding the extra touches to Poch's epitaph.

If the players feel that hard done by then those who have not signed will be running their contracts down as well then. We'll barely have a team to put out at this rate.
 
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As a fan all I can 'worry' about is what is happening on the pitch because I can see that with my own two eyes. All this bullshit about what 'might' be happening behind the scenes if fucking pathetic if you think about it.

Hell, it might already be written that Poch is off and Ballbag is just adding the extra touches to Poch's epitaph.

If the players feel that hard done by then those who have not signed will be running their contracts down as well then. We'll barely have a team to put out at this rate.

Also, the "what if" seems to be a huge contradiction to the whole point of why this squad is meant to be different.

I thought we'd got rid of all the players who didn't care about the club and were only about money, replacing them with youth products who knew what it mean to be spurs, and who had been brought through the ranks to 'think differently' about what it meant to play for us.

Poch has written and said plenty about how he likes to build, use youth players, and wouldn't want to win things by just buying loads of expensive players, so none of the rhetoric fits - so he's either changed his mind, has been lying the whole time, or people are trying to monetise the fact that we didn't put our TV money or whatever back into the system.


As a fan, our long term problem seems to be that our best players can either be amazing or complete dogshit depending on the mood, which imo should be nothing to do with anything outside the training or football pitch.
 

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The thing I can't shake off my mind is that despite the currently squad not being perfect, I still can't help but think that Redknapp and Jol did a pretty good job with a worse squad.

I mean, looking at the squad individually and as a team, it's pretty much our peak PL team surely? Yes, we need depth too, but it's not a reason why we play like shit when they're all on the pitch and rested, right?
Probably, but we’re also way ahead of the Jol and Redknapp teams in terms of consistently achieving top four- we’re still only the sixth highest wage payers in the Premier league. And most of these players have got better under Poch- he’s been responsibly largely for getting us our best PL team in terms of performance. He’s way better than Jol and Redknapp in terms of what he’s doing/done with this current group of players. So many hoodoos have been sunken by Poch and this squad
 
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Probably, but we’re also way ahead of the Jol and Redknapp teams in terms of consistently achieving top four- we’re still only the sixth highest wage payers in the Premier league. And most of these players have got better under Poch- he’s been responsibly largely for getting us our best PL team in terms of performance. He’s way better than Jol and Redknapp in terms of what he’s doing/done with this current group of players. So many hoodoos have been sunken by Poch and this squad

I'm not saying that they were better, but more postulating that he might struggle in areas where our other managers have succeeded.

If Pochettino decided to walk, hypothetically, I think there's a probably a slightly higher chance that we would win something under a different manager, as opposed to reverting back to a 5th/6th place style manager.

Kind of like Liverpool with Klopp up until this season - some managers are great at doing everything but that final push to win things. He's lost something like 5 finals in a row or something right? Is that down to the players, or is it something intangible that exists with some managers/coaches?
 

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Probably, but we’re also way ahead of the Jol and Redknapp teams in terms of consistently achieving top four- we’re still only the sixth highest wage payers in the Premier league. And most of these players have got better under Poch- he’s been responsibly largely for getting us our best PL team in terms of performance. He’s way better than Jol and Redknapp in terms of what he’s doing/done with this current group of players. So many hoodoos have been sunken by Poch and this squad
Except the hoodoo of getting past a semi final and actually winning a final but other than yet yes your right.
 
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