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hakano

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It's quite futile to postulate a different universe of what someone could have done instead of Pochettino, but my point is that I don't take the "threat" of him leaving as significantly as others do, on the basis of the potential of the now and beyond.

It's a case of merely stating that if he were to leave, looking at the very squad we have right now, how would you rate our chances? I'd say pretty damn high.

imo, we also have players in the squad who should be playing, but aren't. That is more of an issue to me than not bringing in even more.

For example, why is KWP not playing more? Why is Lamela not playing more? What is the issue with Wanyama? Why do we not have a plan B that works to the strengths of a proven-quality player like Llorente? Why do we play Davies as a winger? Why do we keep playing Dier? The Non-HG keeper situation. Why do we keep talking about needing more 'Plan B' players if we never change our tactics in the game? We do we sometimes wait 80 mins before making subs? We do we take our pivotal players off at 1-0 up and throw the game away.


Why are none of these even considered as reasons why might not be winning trophies? How exactly is the boardroom more significant that those things that I read in pretty much every match thread?

None of these are questions to you btw, it's more a case of explaining why I find it difficult to follow the logic of the "blame the board" crew.

The guy has worked miracles, top 3 for the last 3 seasons - our best run in the league since the 60's - all whilst being outspent by every club in the PL. He's not perfect by any means but he's been fucking unbelievable for us. Your questions could be asked of any manager anywhere by their clubs respective fans regardless of success.

He has massively overachieved, can Levy say the same about himself? One trophy in 18 yrs. People talk about the stadium like he's spending his own money and look how that's going. As a fan I'd rather have half the stadium (facilities etc) with decent investment on the pitch to push on.

There is only so much a manager can do, the rest is up to the board. Levy's never had it so good with a manager and he's doing his best to fuck that up.
 

Mr Pink

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None of us know what's going on behind the scenes but if Poch was promised certain assurances and levy has moved the goal posts, despite NDP obligations, I'd be fucking fuming.

This manager has done so well for us, and represents the Club impeccably.

If ever a manager deserved to be completely backed...

But you can't make promises and renage on them to keep them in.

So big if, but if levy has done that it really isn't on.

And what worries me is how we've looked so far... It feels like something isn't right behind the scenes and it's spread onto the pitch.

Keeping Poch happy should be right up there in terms of our priorities, and if we've failed to do that it's beyond professional negligence - new stadium or not.
 

dontcallme

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None of us know what's going on behind the scenes but if Poch was promised certain assurances and levy has moved the goal posts, despite NDP obligations, I'd be fucking fuming.

This manager has done so well for us, and represents the Club impeccably.

If ever a manager deserved to be completely backed...

But you can't make promises and renage on them to keep them in.

So big if, but if levy has done that it really isn't on.

And what worries me is how we've looked so far... It feels like something isn't right behind the scenes and it's spread onto the pitch.

Keeping Poch happy should be right up there in terms of our priorities, and if we've failed to do that it's beyond professional negligence - new stadium or not.
I think your first sentence is correct, we don’t know .

After that it is just a huge amount of ifs being used to create a narrative.
 

mattie g

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I think Alderweireld and Rose comes down to one of two things - firstly no replacements in and need to rotate, and secondly, need to keep their value up for possible January transfer. Think Poch has had to swallow his pride. No other options. It's possible Sanchez was being rested after world cup for appearance in the CL. ITK told us there was no interest in Toby other than Utd.

ITK said a lot. We have no idea how much was “true” and how much was fed to appear true, but virtually none of what we heard this summer could be proven either way because none of it came off.
 

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The person that thinks Onomah is the answer to any midfield problems is sadly mistaken in my view. My reasoning is that up to now he has not cut it in the championship when he has played and even struggles to get a starting place.
That is no way to impress the fans let alone Poch
 

Cornpattbuck

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Absolutely spot on, perfectly encapsulates the situation under ENIC now and for as long as they run the club. Wish I could winner it more than once, fantastic post

It's bollocks though. We've wasted millions on shit players at times. Yet, generally, we keep pushing upwards.
 

Mr Pink

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I think your first sentence is correct, we don’t know .

After that it is just a huge amount of ifs being used to create a narrative.

It is, totally agree. And even though I went on and stated "if"....we really don't know so pointless speculating so I remain completely neutral on the matter.
 

spursfan77

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That bellend Ashton on Sunday supplement has it in for Poch today. I expect a few more articles from him shit stirring stories about us in the next months with the way he was going on.
 

spursfan77

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ITK said a lot. We have no idea how much was “true” and how much was fed to appear true, but virtually none of what we heard this summer could be proven either way because none of it came off.

The same itk who said Eriksen and Alli has signed new contracts and we were going to spend £100 million on players?

They only pass on what they hear, doesn’t mean it’s correct.
 

BigVic

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The person that thinks Onomah is the answer to any midfield problems is sadly mistaken in my view. My reasoning is that up to now he has not cut it in the championship when he has played and even struggles to get a starting place.
That is no way to impress the fans let alone Poch
Too many people on here seem to think he is the answer. Its clear as day to me also that he is not.
 
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The guy has worked miracles, top 3 for the last 3 seasons - our best run in the league since the 60's - all whilst being outspent by every club in the PL. He's not perfect by any means but he's been fucking unbelievable for us. Your questions could be asked of any manager anywhere by their clubs respective fans regardless of success.

He has massively overachieved, can Levy say the same about himself? One trophy in 18 yrs. People talk about the stadium like he's spending his own money and look how that's going. As a fan I'd rather have half the stadium (facilities etc) with decent investment on the pitch to push on.

There is only so much a manager can do, the rest is up to the board. Levy's never had it so good with a manager and he's doing his best to fuck that up.

Let's be honest, considering how little we know, you're making huge assumptions (as do a lot of people) about what goes on at the club. As usual, all the bad is Levy and all the good is Poch.

No credit for the sheer volume and velocity of new contracts that have been consistently been given to our most important players, often only 6 to 12 months into 5 year deals. The facilities that attract players, the ambition that attracts players.

It'd be much easier if people accept that Pochettino has obvious flaws, and Levy has obvious flaws, but they have each done a great deal for the club?

Also, note this for an unbelievable example

He has massively overachieved, can Levy say the same about himself? One trophy in 18 yrs.

There is only so much a manager can do, the rest is up to the board.

Trophies aren't won in the boardroom.
 

beats1

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The person that thinks Onomah is the answer to any midfield problems is sadly mistaken in my view. My reasoning is that up to now he has not cut it in the championship when he has played and even struggles to get a starting place.
That is no way to impress the fans let alone Poch
Funny because clearly by that reasoning Kane has not cut in the championship and struggled to get a starting place is clearly not good enough for spurs
And Rose for Bristol
And Mason for Doncaster
And Townsend for Birmingham and so on

All these players have played a big role for Poch yet weren't good enough for championship clubs
 
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The obvious pairing is Wanyama and Dembele. Because it isn't to Poch suggests Wanyama isn't fit enough or he is still carrying an injury. Maybe. Hoping he gets a game on Weds to see how he looks. Winks is also coming back from an injury, which he is allegedly going to have to manage for his entire career. Beyond those two, and Dier, think it would be a big ask to trust Skipp, Amos or any other youth player in there. Ditto trying the likes of Foyth. Especially right now.
Foyth definitely.

What worries me is that since the Walker stuff (maybe before, but more obviously since then) it's been more apparently that Poch has fallouts/personal issues with players that affect selection. I think it's better if we have more transparency around these things so we know whether it's injuries or not, as it just looks shit that we just stop playing players for (seemingly) no reason.
 
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Agree- the Dier/Dembele partnership creaks when it’s being pressed. It slows us down at times too

It's felt like Dier has blackmailed himself into a DM role since the alleged Man Utd approach. He's a bit of a liability for England too, so I'm a bit baffled by it all. feels like we're just playing 6 at the back when we have that pairing in front of a four.
 

beats1

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The guy has worked miracles, top 3 for the last 3 seasons - our best run in the league since the 60's - all whilst being outspent by every club in the PL. He's not perfect by any means but he's been fucking unbelievable for us. Your questions could be asked of any manager anywhere by their clubs respective fans regardless of success.

He has massively overachieved, can Levy say the same about himself? One trophy in 18 yrs. People talk about the stadium like he's spending his own money and look how that's going. As a fan I'd rather have half the stadium (facilities etc) with decent investment on the pitch to push on.

There is only so much a manager can do, the rest is up to the board. Levy's never had it so good with a manager and he's doing his best to fuck that up.
Funny enough, if we dont win a trophy this season, this will be our worst decade since the 40's. Also the first time post WW2 we havent won a trophy!
 
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It's bollocks though. We've wasted millions on shit players at times. Yet, generally, we keep pushing upwards.
Ah @Cornpattbuck thank you for your cogent, detailed and articulate deconstruction of that post, but the great irony is, you've unwittingly consolidated its inherent argument. Yes, instead of pushing for those 1 or 2 special first-choice signings, the club has habitually spent millions on "shit players" (your words); usually cheap (relatively speaking) low-risk acquisitions with resale value (N'gie, Fazio, Stambouli, Wimmer, N'Koudou, Yedlin, amongst others) secure in the knowledge it could recoup that outlay by selling them on to mid table fodder if they failed to work out. As many ITKs have attested, that wasn't some (un)happy accident of fate, it was unashamedly a club policy; a recrutment strategy designed to minimise net-spend.
And again we agree mate, "generally we keep pushing forward" as you say, not least because we have a brilliant coach with the skill and acumen to navigate this systematic frugality and develop players despite the restrictions of a transfer policy that has so rarely - if ever - afforded him his first picks. I'm sure I shouldn't need to remind you that Pochetinno has been brilliant for our football club. He has facilitated 3 consecutive Top 4 finishes, playing attractive Tottenham-style football, all while operating within the limitations imposed by owners financially prioritising the stadium development. I can't believe anyone would in good conscience question his impact on and contribution to the recent success of our football team. That Levy/ENIC would risk losing our best coach in a generation through a lack of support, incompetence, or just pure cheapness, is for me, simply unconscionable. And yet we all know there would still be posters on here that would zealously defend them - as is their right - come what may. One thing we probably can all agree on is that our owners certainly polarise opinion.
 

Jaddas

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I'm hoping that Poch reflects in the near future and thinks Levy fucked up the transfer window because of the stadium delays and that he couldn't get rid of the deadwood. He then decides to give Levy another chance once the stadium fiasco is finished because he wants to complete what he started. Also, he gets a few more names on his wish list because the elite will have their choice of clubs and don't think we'll be at the top of them.

I'm then hoping that Levy realises he can't afford to piss off the best manager we've possibly had since Sir Bill Nick. He gets rid of a few in Jan and starts coming up with a plan to satisfy Poch with the incomings. I'm not sure what that is, as I don't think we're going to secure a De Jong, N'Dombele or Martial in Jan without heavily overpaying and don't think we can secure them now for summer as they may wait for a better offer. However, there are so many players out there that he must be able to do find someone.

Maybe wishful thinking but I'm hoping Levy realises what's at stake here not only with Poch but certain players e.g. Eriksen.
 

King of the Lane

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Why are people so surprised at this....herc had alluded to it all summer and reports coming out now back up what he said he was worried about.

If people still want to play blind on how this has played out then go ahead but its pretty obvious who is at fault on this one.
 
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