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But why are you only looking for the worst examples to back your case?

They're not the worst scenarios, they are the only other scenarios of clubs who have spent money that aren't City, Chelsea, Arsenal or Man Utd - all of which have actually proved that they basically win trophies because of their managers, even with horrific spending on some parts.

With a bit more backing from the board we would have had more chance of success - no guarantees for sure but more of a chance, absolutely. It’s beyond ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

I'm not sure of the logic there. It's built primarily on conjecture - is there any information to suggest there was a lack of backing from the board? (no incomings does not do this alone). Seems to me that the SDoDLs have invented that, despite plenty of people who claim to have connections that suggest otherwise. (also, how many times have we broken our transfer record under Poch?).

The point being made was the Levy's success is determined by trophies won - mine was that trophies are not determined by the board - there is absolutely no correlation between money spent and titles won. The main factor in the last god knows how many years has been the manager (with Chelsea winning titles by doing little more than swapping managers).

A board (and Chairman's) legacy is made by the stuff that has already been done successfully - bringing in the right manager, building an infrastructure to support the framework of a big club, building a stadium, clearing debts, bringing in money.



Poch didn't want a DoF and didn't want Baldini - that seems to me to have been the bigger issue in place. DL has enough to do without doing all the schmoozing, and so does Poch. Someone needs to realise that control over transfers is futile if it isn't manageable.
 
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So you're saying you didn't write this?

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/mauricio-pochettino.126827/page-394#post-6042627

(1998) - George Graham
2001 - David Pleat
2001 - Glenn Hoddle
2003 - David Pleat
2004 - Jacques Santini
2004 - Martin Jol
2007 - Clive Allen & Alex Inglethorpe
2007 - Juande Ramos
2008 - Clive Allen & Alex Inglethorpe
2008 - Harry Redknapp
2012 - André Villas Boas
2013 - Tim Sherwood
2014 - Poch

Poch is technically the 12th different manager under Daniel Levy.

FYI - Poch has the highest win % of any spurs manager since 1899.

:ROFLMAO: the lengths!!!

For a start, Levy wasn't at the club in 2001 - David Buchler sacked Graham and hired Hoddle.

Secondly, LOL at counting Clive Allen and David Pleat multiple times for simple standing in for a game.

Going back to your claim:

Levy hired something like 12 managers before Poch arrived.

So, basically we have:

1) Santini (barely counts)
2) Jol
3) Ramos
4) Redknapp
5) AVB
6) Sherwood (again, barely counts)


Unless of course you think that he "hired" and sacked Pleat, Allen and Inglethorpe half a dozen times :rolleyes:


FYI - Poch has the highest win % of any spurs manager since 1899.

There's the straw man to complete shitpost bingo!
 

Lighty64

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edit: I stand corrected by the post above, though I know he never managed under Levy

edit (again): Fuck knows where the rest of that post went:ROFLMAO:
 
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TwanYid

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I don't know why your bothering with this Poch thing because all I can see is that g.balague says he is inches away from walking out on us. So why bother .
If he does are we buggered or will we be able to get a capable replacement

Could someone please tell me that the above isn't true? Because I have to go to bed in an hour and won't be able to sleep if it is.
 

Flashspur

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Could someone please tell me that the above isn't true? Because I have to go to bed in an hour and won't be able to sleep if it is.

Update to Balague’s book and as it is in ‘Poch’s’ words then its Poch allegedly inferring he will walk because of broken promises.

I don’t know what to believe. I find it hard to conceive that Poch would play games like that. Difficult to figure out if this is his genuine view but everyone has a say and the media are reporting the negative aspects.
 

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Poch is in a tricky situation, I can't believe he was happy that we signed nobody and that the ground isn't ready. But if he is considering jumping ship what are his options? An upgrade on Spurs has very limited options and right now none are available, my own view is that in time he'll go to United. The caveat to that is Levy sells to people who will back him with proper money, we're still 3 or 4 players short of a realistic title challenge.
 

jurgen

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:ROFLMAO: the lengths!!!

For a start, Levy wasn't at the club in 2001 - David Buchler sacked Graham and hired Hoddle.

Secondly, LOL at counting Clive Allen and David Pleat multiple times for simple standing in for a game.

Going back to your claim:



So, basically we have:

1) Santini (barely counts)
2) Jol
3) Ramos
4) Redknapp
5) AVB
6) Sherwood (again, barely counts)


Unless of course you think that he "hired" and sacked Pleat, Allen and Inglethorpe half a dozen times :rolleyes:




There's the straw man to complete shitpost bingo!

Sherwood definitely counts. And was poisonous.
 

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They're not the worst scenarios, they are the only other scenarios of clubs who have spent money that aren't City, Chelsea, Arsenal or Man Utd - all of which have actually proved that they basically win trophies because of their managers, even with horrific spending on some parts.



I'm not sure of the logic there. It's built primarily on conjecture - is there any information to suggest there was a lack of backing from the board? (no incomings does not do this alone). Seems to me that the SDoDLs have invented that, despite plenty of people who claim to have connections that suggest otherwise. (also, how many times have we broken our transfer record under Poch?).

The point being made was the Levy's success is determined by trophies won - mine was that trophies are not determined by the board - there is absolutely no correlation between money spent and titles won. The main factor in the last god knows how many years has been the manager (with Chelsea winning titles by doing little more than swapping managers).

A board (and Chairman's) legacy is made by the stuff that has already been done successfully - bringing in the right manager, building an infrastructure to support the framework of a big club, building a stadium, clearing debts, bringing in money.



Poch didn't want a DoF and didn't want Baldini - that seems to me to have been the bigger issue in place. DL has enough to do without doing all the schmoozing, and so does Poch. Someone needs to realise that control over transfers is futile if it isn't manageable.
You say Poch didn't want Baldini, but he wanted to go earlier than he did and Levy convinced him to stay on. I don't know Pochs feelings on it, but it was Baldini who wanted out more than we wanted rid.
 

thebenjamin

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Poch is in a tricky situation, I can't believe he was happy that we signed nobody and that the ground isn't ready. But if he is considering jumping ship what are his options? An upgrade on Spurs has very limited options and right now none are available, my own view is that in time he'll go to United. The caveat to that is Levy sells to people who will back him with proper money, we're still 3 or 4 players short of a realistic title challenge.

United in the summer. Would be pretty surprised if that doesnt happen. We need to hope Mourinho doesn't make it that far and they go for Zidane mid season.
 

blackburn

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United in the summer. Would be pretty surprised if that doesnt happen. We need to hope Mourinho doesn't make it that far and they go for Zidane mid season.

Agree entirely, Poch is the perfect fit for United unless Zidane is available.

I'm a huge Poch fan but if he goes he goes, we're in a far better state than when he joined. He's ambitious, if he feels Spurs don't match his ambitions he'll be off, its the way football works.
 

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Poch has guided us through one of the most difficult periods of our history, he has been absolutely amazing for us at a time when we have played away from home whilst building a new stadium with all the uncertainty.
During this difficult period he has managed not just to steer us through this, but has managed to push the club to its most successful league positions consistantly in our prem history

Poch has been incredible for this club, and everything must be done to make sure he stays here , though i don't believe he would walk atm, he has invested far too much emotion into us and the new stadium, and i believe his relationship with DL is strong, despite maybe being pissed he didn't get any new players in.
 

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Agree entirely, Poch is the perfect fit for United unless Zidane is available.

I'm a huge Poch fan but if he goes he goes, we're in a far better state than when he joined. He's ambitious, if he feels Spurs don't match his ambitions he'll be off, its the way football works.

And in the meantime we keep wasting are money on a club whos Chairman doesnt match our ambitions?

ENIC dont want to 'waste' 100-200m on trying to bring the league title to WHL when Poch has done such a fantastic job consolidating us in the top 4 year in year out. Why would they, they are a business. Couldn't give a monkeys about trophies or God forbid Glory!!!

The game is about Glory, yeah right oh!

If Poch pretty much walks and or leaves at the end of the season Levy has a lot of questions to answer. Thats if he's still around and hasnt sold the club on to the yanks!!

Have no doubt that the most important person at a football club is the manager.....
 

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:ROFLMAO: the lengths!!!

For a start, Levy wasn't at the club in 2001 - David Buchler sacked Graham and hired Hoddle.

Secondly, LOL at counting Clive Allen and David Pleat multiple times for simple standing in for a game.

Going back to your claim:



So, basically we have:

1) Santini (barely counts)
2) Jol
3) Ramos
4) Redknapp
5) AVB
6) Sherwood (again, barely counts)


Unless of course you think that he "hired" and sacked Pleat, Allen and Inglethorpe half a dozen times :rolleyes:




There's the straw man to complete shitpost bingo!
You're the only one pedalling horse manure, here.
 

Lighty64

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You say Poch didn't want Baldini, but he wanted to go earlier than he did and Levy convinced him to stay on. I don't know Pochs feelings on it, but it was Baldini who wanted out more than we wanted rid.

but isn't it known that Poch doesn't want a DoF, even though this summer I reckon he should of had someone to help
 

EastLondonYid

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And in the meantime we keep wasting are money on a club whos Chairman doesnt match our ambitions?

ENIC dont want to 'waste' 100-200m on trying to bring the league title to WHL when Poch has done such a fantastic job consolidating us in the top 4 year in year out. Why would they, they are a business. Couldn't give a monkeys about trophies or God forbid Glory!!!

The game is about Glory, yeah right oh!

If Poch pretty much walks and or leaves at the end of the season Levy has a lot of questions to answer. Thats if he's still around and hasnt sold the club on to the yanks!!

Have no doubt that the most important person at a football club is the manager.....


Well if he sells to the Yanks as you fear, you will hopefully get your wish of a chairman that throws 200m to win the league.

Meanwhile lets stick and endure this shocking chairman we have in this brand new stadium, and watch boring games against the likes of Barca and Inter.

Becareful what you wish for..
 
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southlondonyiddo

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Well if he sells to the Yanks as you fear, you will hopefully get your wish of a chairman that throws 200m to win the league.

Meanwhile lets stick and endure this shocking chairman we have in this brand new stadium, and watch boring games against likes Barca and Inter.

Becareful what you wish for..

I wish that when we had the chance a couple of times in the last decade to push for the very top, we were actually 'brave' (in Pochs words) and had a go

I wish there was less smoke and mirrors in the club

I don't want a Chairman that 'throws 200m' I want a Chairman that backs his manager (the right manager) and gives him 1 or 2 players that can make the difference to push for Glory

I doubt that If we sold up the new owners would be anymore willing to be brave but I guess we will have to wait and see once somebody coughs up about 2 billion!

Hopefully by that time I will have seen the light and can stop wasting my money on another regime...
 
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