The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Lighty64]

And in the meantime we keep wasting are money on a club whos Chairman doesnt match our ambitions?

ENIC dont want to 'waste' 100-200m on trying to bring the league title to WHL when Poch has done such a fantastic job consolidating us in the top 4 year in year out. Why would they, they are a business. Couldn't give a monkeys about trophies or God forbid Glory!!!

The game is about Glory, yeah right oh!

If Poch pretty much walks and or leaves at the end of the season Levy has a lot of questions to answer. Thats if he's still around and hasnt sold the club on to the yanks!!

Have no doubt that the most important person at a football club is the manager.....

as I mentioned in a PM to @[email protected] no owner is going to buy us for 2b, with near on another ½bill of debt, and not want a return. the only way any new owners will get a return is at the moment keep Poch, and throw money at the few positions that need upgrading, to keep bums on the 62+k seats.

the only way to get any guaranteed success is for it to be bought, yes at the moment even a Caraboa Cup would help, but we really don't have the depth to go for 4 comps, and Poch knows that, even if we had got the players he needed/wanted in the summer we would of had a better chance of progressing in comps and competing for a top 4 spot, but to do that we need to be able to afford players that are sitting on the bench being paid 150k a week and not kick up a fuss that they are not playing, or the players we have now to be able to cope with the competition for places, which isn't easy for internationals because if they are not playing for their club, they miss out playing for their countries

 

[Lighty64]

Baldini was NOT a director of football he was a technical director.

ok, but he still took the pressure of the manager and Levy when it come to the transfers, just as a DoF would do

 

[hakano]

They're not the worst scenarios, they are the only other scenarios of clubs who have spent money that aren't City, Chelsea, Arsenal or Man Utd - all of which have actually proved that they basically win trophies because of their managers, even with horrific spending on some parts.

Really? So all of those clubs have inferior players and have won trophies because of their managers, nothing down to their level of on pitch investment? This spin is nothing short of remarkable. I guess if you say it enough then you'll start to believe it.

I'm not sure of the logic there. It's built primarily on conjecture - is there any information to suggest there was a lack of backing from the board? (no incomings does not do this alone). Seems to me that the SDoDLs have invented that, despite plenty of people who claim to have connections that suggest otherwise. (also, how many times have we broken our transfer record under Poch?).

Depends what you define as backing? Not selling your top players as being backed then yes you are right. Almost all however will define it as bringing in the players your manager has requested or suitable alternatives.


On the point about breaking transfer records under Poch, why don't you tell all how many times we have broken our transfer record since 2014...........and then compare that to all the other teams in the PL? You may well be surprised.

The point being made was the Levy's success is determined by trophies won - mine was that trophies are not determined by the board - there is absolutely no correlation between money spent and titles won. The main factor in the last god knows how many years has been the manager (with Chelsea winning titles by doing little more than swapping managers).

No comment as lost for words.

 

[Gb160]

I don't want a Chairman that 'throws 200m' I want a Chairman that backs his manager (the right manager) and gives him 1 or 2 players that can make the difference to push for Glory

You really think that the difference between us and city is 1 or 2 players?

I honestly don't even think 200m would put us on an equal footing.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

You really think that the difference between us and city is 1 or 2 players?

I honestly don't even think 200m would put us on an equal footing.

Yeah but adding 1 or 2 of top quality (to an already very good group) in a few windows gives you a chance. Not buying anybody kills u

 

[Gb160]

Yeah but adding 1 or 2 of top quality (to an already very good group) in a few windows gives you a chance. Not buying anybody kills u

If you honestly think we're gonna be spending 100 odd million, as thats what 1 or 2 top quality players would cost, for a few windows running, just to stand a chance...you're living in a dream world mate.
Expecting Enic to change their tried and tested and dropping 100m for 3 windows running, just for 'a chance'...
Never.gonna.happen.

 

[dtxspurs]

You really think that the difference between us and city is 1 or 2 players?

I honestly don't even think 200m would put us on an equal footing.

Sergej Milinkovic Savic (100m) and two top fullbacks (50m each) would absolutely put us on par with City.

 

[Gb160]

Sergej Milinkovic Savic (100m) and two top fullbacks (50m each) would absolutely put us on par with City.

Jesus... what about the midfield?

 

[dtxspurs]

Jesus... what about the midfield?

SMS plays CM?

 

[Shadydan]

It's not strictly about the money you spend, it's about the wages you pay.

We may be able to catch up with City in the short term if we spent £200m but you need to keep those players happy by giving them high end wages, City can do that, we cannot - All City are gonna do is raise the bar again because they can.

 

[Gb160]

SMS plays CM?

Yeah I was thinking of someone else lol...I still don't think those 3 players, without going into the details of these amazing fullbacks for 50m each in todays market, would close a 23 point gap.

 

[dtxspurs]

Yeah I was thinking of someone else lol...I still don't think those 3 players, without going into the details of these amazing fullbacks for 50m each in todays market, would close a 23 point gap.

Spending money on fullbacks sure made City a whole hell of a lot better. That and a goalie were the only real changes they made to their 11 last year.

 

[Gb160]

Spending money on fullbacks sure made City a whole hell of a lot better. That and a goalie were the only real changes they made to their 11 last year.

I think the pep effect just took a while to show returns personally....it had much more to do with it imo.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Also



6 - and that's counting Santini and Sherwood (which is tenuous at best).



All of them flopped.

So Jol getting 5th and into Europe twice after taking over quite literally a mid-table team is "flopping"?

Redknapp getting us in the top 4 twice and into the CL Quarters is flopping?


Jesus...

I think they both did remarkably well , when you consider what we invest in transfers and wages v competitors.. If we invested in the Jan window when Redknapp was at the helm, we could have got close to the very top.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Pep

I think the pep effect just took a while to show returns personally....it had much more to do with it imo.

Pep just buys the very best.. simples

 

[dontcallme]

Pep

Pep just buys the very best.. simples

Simpler to do with the most money or the best team.

 

[dtxspurs]

I think the pep effect just took a while to show returns personally....it had much more to do with it imo.

Pep had a shit fullbacks and GK, he fixed those spots. They didn't change anything else.

He doesn't win the league with Kolarov, Zabaleta and Bravo.

 

[Gb160]

Pep had a shit fullbacks and GK, he fixed those spots. They didn't change anything else.

He doesn't win the league with Kolarov, Zabaleta and Bravo.

Opinion stated as fact, that's becoming your speciality mate.

 

[sausage]

You're the only one pedalling horse manure, here.

I find it absolutely astounding that someone can literally make up the truth, respond with something totally irrelevant, and still think like you do.

All it really confirms is that the SDoDL prerogative is based on nothing but noise and nonsense. It's like talking to a flat earther, but with less credibility!

 

[sausage]

Sherwood definitely counts. And was poisonous.

I find it hard to count him as a credible managerial "appointment", as he came in as a caretaker and was given the job until the end of the season. Only real role difference between Pleaty and Sherwood was that Pleat stayed around, and Sherwood seemed to believe he would stick around if he complained hard enough about it. I think he knew Poch was coming in around April time.