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coys200

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How is today's game a more defining moment than Wednesday's game for example?

Because for me if we win today it gives us a real shot at the title. Yes Wednesday was a great win but will winning a carabo cup change much about us as a club ? The ironic thing is to win it we’d have to beat West Ham a Arsenal a chelseax2 and City but ultimately people will just say it’s the carabo cup. In terms of what could potentially happen I think today is bigger than Wednesday it just feels pivotal to the whole season.
 

coys200

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Sorry I'm not going to troll back through all your posts to prove it either way.:cautious: Maybe you think they are positive but my first reaction to seeing you've posted is "I wonder who or what's wrong now!"
Sorry my idea of positive and negative are somewhat apart from yours. That's ok if you're happy then that's all you should worry about.(y)

I started a whole thread about how we could be as big a club as Real Madrid ? how much more positive do you want ?
 

midoshairband

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It’s not negative it’s just fact. In the crucial defining moments we’ve failed. I see today as crucial considering the fixtures coming. Win today and we could be right there come the new year.

if my memory serves me correct, pretty sure we didn’t fail in the crucial defining moment v PSV. or Inter. or Barcelona.

maybe the team and Poch are learning and evolving, and we should have a bit more trust/faith.
 

longtimespur

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if my memory serves me correct, pretty sure we didn’t fail in the crucial defining moment v PSV. or Inter. or Barcelona.

maybe the team and Poch are learning and evolving, and we should have a bit more trust/faith.
AHH you changed it.......:) I was going to ask what's wrong with a "defining Picasso or Dali:LOL:
 

LexingtonSpurs

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Until Pochettino gets us over the line to win something there has to be a question mark if he is capable of doing it.

Yes Wednesday was a great win but will winning a carabo cup change much about us as a club ?

This is a definition of a troll. You seem to be arguing just for the sake of arguing - even if you contradict yourself just a few posts later. When you do that, it's time to step away from the keyboard and get some fresh air.
 

Shadydan

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Because for me if we win today it gives us a real shot at the title. Yes Wednesday was a great win but will winning a carabo cup change much about us as a club ? The ironic thing is to win it we’d have to beat West Ham a Arsenal a chelseax2 and City but ultimately people will just say it’s the carabo cup. In terms of what could potentially happen I think today is bigger than Wednesday it just feels pivotal to the whole season.

But we don't win the title today, we're still in December so nothing gets decided now, we could lose today and win the next 10 to put us in contention for the title so for example.

The Carabao Cup is important because we need to win a trophy either way and helps our progression as a club, who gives a fuck what people say.
 

coys200

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This is a definition of a troll. You seem to be arguing just for the sake of arguing - even if you contradict yourself just a few posts later. When you do that, it's time to step away from the keyboard and get some fresh air.

There’s no connection between the 2 statements. Questioning if the carabo changes us as a club has no relevance to poch ability to win it.
 

Lighty64

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It’s not negative it’s just fact. In the crucial defining moments we’ve failed. I see today as crucial considering the fixtures coming. Win today and we could be right there come the new year.

lets hope the 11 to 14 players do their job. I'm sure Pochettino will have given his instructions and hope Everton decide to have an early Xmas break.

yes the manager can mess up by leaving players out that are better than those on the field, he can like Poch has done too often taken too long to make changes, but not every loss or draw can be put at the managers door, especially if it's the players that are at fault on the day
 

LexingtonSpurs

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There’s no connection between the 2 statements. Questioning if the carabo changes us as a club has no relevance to poch ability to win it.
On the one hand, you question Poch's ability to win - then you claim winning the cup means nothing.

I am not someone who focuses on trophies, but even I can see the impact of winning even a minor trophy like the Carabao Cup would have on the mentality of the club, the supporters, the pundits, and people in general.

You can't complain that Poch has never won anything, then turn around and claim that winning something would not matter.
 
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This game is no more important now than it was at the start of yesterdays fixtures. The City and Chelsea results are a bonus. Like most seasons, every game is a big game when you are vying to compete at the very top of the league.
 

coys200

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lets hope the 11 to 14 players do their job. I'm sure Pochettino will have given his instructions and hope Everton decide to have an early Xmas break.

yes the manager can mess up by leaving players out that are better than those on the field, he can like Poch has done too often taken too long to make changes, but not every loss or draw can be put at the managers door, especially if it's the players that are at fault on the day

Indeed hopefully we give them a good thumping like last season and can look forward to a serious title challenge.
 

coys200

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On the one hand, you question Poch's ability to win - then you claim winning the cup means nothing.

I am not someone who focuses on trophies, but even I can see the impact of winning even a minor trophy like the Carabao Cup would have on the mentality of the club, the supporters, the pundits, and people in general.

You can't complain that Poch has never won anything, then turn around and claim that winning something would not matter.

Shadydan asked me why today was more important. And I replied because basically winning the league would obviously be more significant than winning the carabo. I never said winning the carabo “didn’t matter” I just said it wouldn’t change the perception of us as a club which pochettino has said himself. Anyways I’m done with the petty squabbling and name calling just because I voice an opinion. Enjoy the game.
 

Jody

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We should do a poll and send it to the club. This is the biggest spurs online community. Ask a question e.g. Would you renew your season ticket if poch left? Then send the results in. Show Daniel the strength of feeling.
 

shelfboy68

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Shadydan asked me why today was more important. And I replied because basically winning the league would obviously be more significant than winning the carabo. I never said winning the carabo “didn’t matter” I just said it wouldn’t change the perception of us as a club which pochettino has said himself. Anyways I’m done with the petty squabbling and name calling just because I voice an opinion. Enjoy the game.
I get what your saying because winning the league and CL are the yardstick to measure success of the so called big club's as a title trumps a cup win anyday, but if we finished third and won the carabou cup I'm sure us fan's would accept that I know I would.
The history books will show a cup win on it's roll of honour but finishing top four will register in anyone's memory but because of the riches on offer in qualification of the CL it now has become the holy grail for most club chairmen.
 

Zummerzet Spur

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While it does seem a positive article the last paragraph can be taken as Tottenham can carrying on without him.

I’ve just watched the Sky Sports interview and you’ve taken the last paragraph out of context - Poch was asked whether the players see him as a figurehead because they have committed themselves to long term contracts.

His answer was typically modest in that the whole platform that’s been created at Spurs with the coaching staff and club structure is more important than one person - watching the video gives a completely different spin on his comments than comes across when written as text without the questions that were asked.

I think this was an extremely positive interview and gave great insight into his longterm plans with Spurs. I’m not sure much more could have been spelt out that he’s in it for the long haul.

I’d encourage anyone that hasn’t seen it to watch it:

https://www.skysports.com/football/...-levy-laying-foundations-on-and-off-the-pitch
 

Shadydan

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I get what your saying because winning the league and CL are the yardstick to measure success of the so called big club's as a title trumps a cup win anyday, but if we finished third and won the carabou cup I'm sure us fan's would accept that I know I would.
The history books will show a cup win on it's roll of honour but finishing top four will register in anyone's memory but because of the riches on offer in qualification of the CL it now has become the holy grail for most club chairmen.

The league won't be won today
 

sly1

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It's all part of managing the brand. There is no way on Earth that Poch can directly address the Man U job situation without it being spun. None.

He's asked: "Mauricio, what are your thoughts on the Man U vacancy"

MP: "I'm not interested"
Press: POCEHTTINO RULES HIMSELF OUT OF MAN U JOB, WITHOUT AN OFFER BEING MADE
Result: Spurs and Poch look foolish


or

MP: "Man U are a great club, but I'm happy at Spurs"
Press: POCHETTINO SAYS MAN U ATTRACTIVE AMID RUMOURS
Result: Spurs look weak

or

MP: "Who knows that the future holds"
Press: POCHETTINO REFUSES TO RULE OUT MOVE TO MAN U
Result: Spurs look like a small club

The press officer smacking down the utter shitehawk from Sky was the best course of action to take, hands down, because there were no words the press could then put into Poch's mouth. The only story they were left with was: "waaaah, the press officer was nasty to us! Waaaaaah!"

Whether by design or by accident, it was a stroke of genius.

I have no problem with the press officer shutting down sky sports, but this (the bit in bold in particular) is such wishful thinking.

If Poch wished to rule himself out of the job he could easily do so without making anyone doing ridiculous. There are clearly two possible reasons why he hasn’t ruled himself out of the job.

1.) he is considering taking the if it’s offered.
2.) he thinks that being considered for the job gives him some leverage with Levy.

In reality, both are probably true.

Poch may well decide to stay at Spurs even if he’s offered the united job. But it is obviously something he will need to think about carefully. It is probably safe to say that he will not want to stay at Spurs for another 5 years if he does not think it will be possible to achieve significantly more than he already has.

But, less speculatively, we all saw last summer around the time he was linked to Madrid that he made a lot pointed comments about the need to improve the squad and the need to spend. I very much doubt he would dismiss the possibility of joining united without getting anything in return.
 

Hoopspur

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We should do a poll and send it to the club. This is the biggest spurs online community. Ask a question e.g. Would you renew your season ticket if poch left? Then send the results in. Show Daniel the strength of feeling.
I would. I’ve watched Spurs through some shite era’s. Wouldn’t you? My attitude would always be ‘The King is dead. Long live the King’.
 

rez9000

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Go and look at my posts 90% are positive and possibly 10% “ negative “ as you say. And in fact got mocked for starting a thread saying we could be an elite European club. Actually find it quite bizarre on here that 90% of what you post can be positive and as soon as you post anything that can be construed as being slightly negative people start throwing their toys out the pram.

I started a whole thread about how we could be as big a club as Real Madrid ? how much more positive do you want ?

You may have been mocked, but you were also met with a lot of reasoned arguments in that thread. And in all fairness, your proposition was that Spurs aren't able to be 'as big as Real Madrid' in our current form and that only through a new billionaire owner spending massive amounts of money would we have any chance of becoming so. That suggests a negative appraisal of the club as it stands now. Now, personally speaking, that doesn't make a massive amount of difference to me. And I can understand why a lot of Spurs fans have a pessimistic view of the club as I've outlined above. But at the same time, if everything that one posts has some form of critique or pessimism attached to it, then it's understandable if one is then viewed as being more negative than positive.

Because for me if we win today it gives us a real shot at the title. Yes Wednesday was a great win but will winning a carabo cup change much about us as a club ? The ironic thing is to win it we’d have to beat West Ham a Arsenal a chelseax2 and City but ultimately people will just say it’s the carabo cup. In terms of what could potentially happen I think today is bigger than Wednesday it just feels pivotal to the whole season.
Winning the Carabao Cup will have a huge influence on the club. You speak to any player and they will tell you that winning something changes them. That's the whole point of competition. Look at how the Scum celebrated their win over us. And the hurt that comes with losing. Winning is important to players and being able to point to a significant trophy (and the Carabao Cup is still a significant trophy in the list of domestic honours) gives them a desire to to go on and win more.

This is where a negative outlook can cause problems: I would hazard to guess that you feel this game is important because you think that if we don't close the gap on City and Liverpool, our chance is gone. But where does it say that that's the case? After today, there are still 20 games to go. We're not even (quite) halfway. Anything could happen.
 
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