The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Zummerzet Spur]

Clearly his head is turned and the players arnt playing for him anymore with this kind of performance

Exactly what I was thinking - they certainly aren’t playing like a team that believe their manager is off.

I can’t believe the team don’t know exactly what he’s thinking. They are bound to have raised it behind closed doors, they’re only human after all.

 

[RichieS]

The league won't be won today

Obviously not.











Liverpool won it yesterday.

 

[rossdapep]

Ive always liked the Mirror, and especially Andy Dunn.
Bang on the money here:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/maurico-pochettino-risks-man-utd-13766467

Good to see someone has common sense. I especially like the part about AC Milan. Are United a bigger club? Sure. But does that necessarily mean that it's set in stone? No. Before the PL the landscape used to change all the time. Unfortunately the modern fan and media don't think like that, but it's about time someone decided to be brave and not trot out the bend over for United line.

 

[rossdapep]

Decent debate on the Sunday supplement. Tbh from neutrals ponit of view for the educated media it’s a very interesting debate that encompasses lots of aspects. And if he does stay, going forward I’d suggest it severely diminishes Uniteds aura and power as a bully boy. Gone will be the assumption you can’t say no to Manchester United.

Id love to think that Poch rejecting them would lead to them falling further from the title challengers for a sustained period whereas we compete for years.

 

[N17 Kebab]

Happy 2-6 anniversary Poch! Hope Mrs Poch makes you happy tonight

 

[allatsea]

Passed the ridiculous test posed earlier. Now onwards and upwards.

 

[glacierSpurs]

Watching Fanzone now and it was so infuriating seeing Leroy Rosenoir so adamant Poch is gonna leave comes end of the season for manure, if not Real, because they will always be a bigger club.

He said Poch is an ambitious man and his ambition could really only be realised at such big clubs who can back him with the funds he needs to form his ultimate team. Is kinda sad even pundits are talking more on money than passion..

Any other man could have been what he described. But somehow I just feel Poch is someone who relishes genuine relationships more than the superficial glitz and glamour. At Tottenham is where he wil have the connection and love. Ex players and ex mangers all know that.

I think he will leave only when he has won something here with us and/or Daniel sacks him.

Fuck salty spammers Leroy.

 

[rez9000]

No at all, I’m not certain he’s gone. And I agree @vegassd had good points. He was defending the general consensus so my argument, while directed at him, was against that.

That's not what @vegassd was doing, if you read over his post again. He was commenting on the fact that Pochettino was calling on us, the fans, to be less negative. .

You then added a lot of speculation regarding Pochettino's happiness, all based on your own interpretation of events - that's confirmation bias. Picking out the things you feel back up your interpretation. Again, we're all guilty (pardon the pun) of doing that in differing amounts and at different times. The things you've said that were vague are things like:

He wasn’t happy we didn’t buy anyone. He’s made the most of it but he wasn’t happy and he made that clear.

Did he? I don't think Poch 'made that clear' at any point. We may suppose that he was unhappy because it wouldn't be an unusual thing to think. Another example of confirmation bias. You speak about things he said and felt they bolstered your view of the situation.

Worse still was this:

If things hadn’t gone so well it could be very different. But now they’ve gone ok, he’s rewriting history and effectively saying I always knew it would be ok and I never wanted to sign anyone, why didn’t you trust me. Which is bollocks and hypocritical.

What I've highlighted there is an inference. It has no basis in fact. You assumed that Poch was unhappy about the lack of signings and then say that his statements after the fact are hypocritical. That's selective perception and subjective validation as well as confirmation bias, all things that are faults in rational analysis.

Point is so much straw clutching. If Poch goes or leaves, it won’t have anything to do with most of the things outlined in here.
Yet people acting like they know him, or that the Utd job wouldn’t suit him (but apparently Real, which is even worse for interfering above, would be fine)

No. The point you raised was that Pochettino shouldn't be calling for the fans to be less negative, and that's confirmed by the part of your post I highlighted above. You feel that Pochettino has no right to ask the fans not to be negative because you believe that he himself has been negative when talking about the lack of signings. But there's no evidence of that.

Furthermore by saying that none of the things mentioned will have any bearing Pochettino's thinking you're suggesting that you have greater insight into Pochettino's thinking than anyone else. How do you know that none of those things have gone through his mind or will go through his mind? I have no doubt that many of the things said in this thread will be precisely the things he would consider, should an approach be made because they've mostly been very logical.

Ironically, by saying that Poch's decision won't have anything to do with them, you cross the line into what you accused @vegassd of doing - saying that everyone's thinking is incorrect. You haven't recognised that it's just people trying to ease their tension over the situation.

What your post does in essence is say, 'you're not allowed to worry or speculate - what will be will be'. That might work for you, but it doesn't work for everyone. If there was no credence to the possibility of Pochettino leaving for Man U, the media wouldn't be selling it as the main narrative in this situation. So the possibility exists. While the possibility exists, people will be worried because, naturally, they want the best for their club, which at the moment is Poch staying. People will therefore speculate as a means of easing that tension, that worry. It's whistling in the darkness and it leads to debate.

I took @vegassd highlighting of what Pochettino said about being negative as an attempt to stop people from getting too hysterical about the situation. He didn't do it by saying that everyone was wrong. He did it by trying to inject positivity by saying, 'look, Poch wants you to trust him'. It certainly made me feel better.

 

[CarrickSpurgus]

Seems the journos tried it again with the man utd questions and the spurs press officer jumped all over it again !

 

[sly1]

I'm not sure you actually read the preceding sentences to the bit you bolded. The post was about spin and how the media will choose to spin anything he says. The bits you bolded were hypothetical responses to things Poch may have said in response to the Sky reporter.

What's really interesting is that you've actually reinforced my point. In that If Poch will consider a Man U job offer should it come, he makes an error in speaking about it now, before an offer has come in. If he states to the media that he is interested in the job, he may then force his chairman's hand. Levy has shown that he will brook no messing around in the past - remember how Harry was dispensed with? So even if Poch was trying to gain 'leverage' with Levy, speaking about the Man U job would be the last thing he would do.

So, once again, we return to the point that saying nothing is the best thing for all concerned, except for the media.

No. It’s wishful thinking to think that he’s not distancing himself from the United job because he thinks the media will make fun of him if he does.

He hasn’t ruled it out either because he is considering it, or because he thinks it benefits him to allow people to believe he might be considering it.

 

[jackson]

Neil Ashton flapping his lips on NBC citing quotes he can't backup.

The twat was advertised as a 'Premier League Insider'...

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

That's not what @vegassd was doing, if you read over his post again. He was commenting on the fact that Pochettino was calling on us, the fans, to be less negative. .

You then added a lot of speculation regarding Pochettino's happiness, all based on your own interpretation of events - that's confirmation bias. Picking out the things you feel back up your interpretation. Again, we're all guilty (pardon the pun) of doing that in differing amounts and at different times. The things you've said that were vague are things like:

Did he? I don't think Poch 'made that clear' at any point. We may suppose that he was unhappy because it wouldn't be an unusual thing to think. Another example of confirmation bias. You speak about things he said and felt they bolstered your view of the situation.

Worse still was this:

What I've highlighted there is an inference. It has no basis in fact. You assumed that Poch was unhappy about the lack of signings and then say that his statements after the fact are hypocritical. That's selective perception and subjective validation as well as confirmation bias, all things that are faults in rational analysis.

No. The point you raised was that Pochettino shouldn't be calling for the fans to be less negative, and that's confirmed by the part of your post I highlighted above. You feel that Pochettino has no right to ask the fans to be negative because you believe that he himself has been negative when talking about the lack of signings. But there's no evidence of that.

Furthermore by saying that none of the things mentioned will have any bearing Pochettino's thinking you're suggesting that you have greater insight into Pochettino's thinking than anyone else. How do you know that none of those things have gone through his mind or will go through his mind? I have no doubt that many of the things said in this thread will be precisely the things he would consider, should an approach be made because they've mostly been very logical.

Ironically, by saying that Poch's decision won't have anything to do with them, you cross the line into what you accused @vegassd of doing - saying that everyone's thinking is incorrect. You haven't recognised that it's just people trying to ease their tension over the situation.

What your post does in essence is say, 'you're not allowed to worry or speculate - what will be will be'. That might work for you, but it doesn't work for everyone. 's wrong. If there was no credence to the possibility of Pochettino leaving for Man U, the media wouldn't be selling it as the main narrative in this situation. So the possibility exists. While the possibility exists, people will be worried because, naturally, they want the best for their club, which at the moment is Poch staying. People will therefore speculate as a means of easing that tension, that worry. It's whistling in the darkness and it leads to debate.

I took @vegassd highlighting of what Pochettino said about being negative as an attempt to stop people from getting too hysterical about the situation. He didn't do it by saying that everyone was wrong. He did it by trying to inject positivity by saying, 'look, Poch wants you to trust him'. It certainly made me feel better.

That’s a big post. I’m reading it during my post Christmas dinner dump

 

[glacierSpurs]

He will never be publicly saying he's not going to any of the big clubs linked even though deep down he may really has no intention to go there. It's so unwise to rule himself out of any possibilities in the future.

He mentioned about telling us, the fans, to have more faith in him and the club. I think that's his way of saying to us he's staying as long as we show him we want him to stay.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Every time someone posts that Walcott pic he gets more fingers

shocker?

 

[coys200]

Martin Tyler really was a disgrace today.

 

[buckley]

I wish someone would ask Souness if Klopp will have to win something or Liverpool will risk losing Klopp to Man Unt because when they or if they come calling no one can turn down the biggest club in the world(never mind Real Madrid s claim to being the biggest club in the world)also his constant stance that Tottenham cannot perform without Kane is a sign that h
is knowledge is flawed because Kane missed almost a Third of last season in which time we never lost a game.
Just to be clear if Van Dijk was injured long term for Liverpool I wonder how they would cope and the same with Chelsea and Hazard and does this man not realise that every club that loses his main man suffers in some way its just that we coped when Kane was out .
I don't think many would cope as well as us without there main man.
So to cut to the chase the envy of Souness and all the sky pundits is now showing in a clear way by there trying to detract from the job that Poch is doing.
It just highlights either their ignorance or deliberate attempt to down play all things Spurs.

 

[Gb160]

Seems the journos tried it again with the man utd questions and the spurs press officer jumped all over it again !

Linky?

 

[buckley]

It also highlights there constant going on about a week squad when in fact we have a brilliant squad.
Thats not to say Danny boy should not get his hand in his pocket this window.

 

[JCRD]

Martin Tyler really was a disgrace today.

Can a club stop this sort of thing? I dont think they can but yeah today was pretty damn ridiculous

 

[CarrickSpurgus]

Linky?

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