The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[BringBack_leGin]

You'll 'not be told' but are quite happy to do the telling and you aren't taking the high ground. Just because you SAY you aren't taking the high ground doesn't make it so.

As for what my opinion is that's a bigger half arsed answer than what Daniel Levy gives the supporters trust at question time It seems my opinion is a bit of a mystery to you after all. Here, have a ladder. You'll need it to dismount.

Okay, here’s a no half arsed answer. I think you dislike Daniel levy’s handling of the club. I think you feel that success is not his main motivation, but instead that he wants to grow the value of the club with minimum risk up until it is sold for an ebourmous amount. I think you believe Daniel Levy to be deceitful in his promises to a) not sell our best players and b) invest in the team consistently. I think you feel that it’s not so much that he has failed at various points to improve us, but that he’s deliberately tried to get away with not improving us on several occasions in hope that the manager will keep things going in the right direction regardless, and that Levy has only diverted from this approach when it has come close to disastrous outcomes (2008 for instance). I believe you think he is not doing a good job, but you also don’t think he’s doing a bad job, just that he’s doing a job with different desired outcomes (financial growth), to that which you value (on field success). I think that in your opinion, Levy would welcome on field success but it is not his priority.

I am also more than happy to be wrong on all of this, as I am Jeremy inferring it from years of posting and, without being in your head am very likely to be incorrect. But there you go, this is my non half arsed answer. That is exactly what I believe your opinions to be.

And yes, fine, I put myself on high ground. I do this because I at very least take time and effort to construct arguments which a basis in evidence available to us, rather than in my own personal feelings, and I don’t skew things to suit an agenda. I struggle to respect those who do the opposite, and have far more time for tjrmopinions if posters who vehemently disagree with me but actually take the time and effort to back up their views with anecdote and example (@doctor stefan Freud being a fine example).

 

[BringBack_leGin]

So you wont be goaded into a Levy debate which you started.

Except I didn’t, but I’m beginning to realise that you might not be able to read. It’s the only logical explanation for, well, you.

 

[cider spurs]

I love Pochettino...but this post reeks of the loser mentality that still permeates the fans and board.

Klopp has actually won trophies, will win the league his season and manages up well since he gets his board and chairman to buy the players he needs.

Mourinho - behind Ferguson - he's one of the most successful managers in the PL era and has won the CL twice.

Conte - Was only in this country for two years - won the PL and FA cup. He aired his griped with the board in public because he simply refused to accept being forced to work with one hand tied behind his back. Poch could learn a lot from his approach.

So is this another "trophy" we win - along with putting the pressure on, finishing above Arsenal and doing so well despite such a low net spend.

Until he wins something...Poch is a pretender also and I don't think he can do it under the constraints at Spurs. Nor do I think anyone else would.

Get your point about winning things...but Poch aside...bellends.

I was ultimately talking about the manner Poch conveys himself in public, you've brought up the winner mentality of the others, hardly surprising when ignoring the funds and squads at their disposal at times.

Oh yeah, Conte griped alright, called the board out, fell out with players. Still at Chelsea? ??.

Lesson worth learning indeed.

There's a reason UTD and Real Madrid are circling for Poch's services and I'm pretty certain it's not because he's a pretender. .

 

[wrd]

And by just enjoying things for what they are, you will derive far more pleasure from supporting this great club and be far more measured in your appraisal of any given circumstance. I would agree on the point that a lot of this negativity is based on some form of Spurs related PTSD apart from the fact that I am convinced a lot it is coming from more recent fans who weren't that dedicated/ loyal in the bad old days anyway and are really just a bit jealous of the mega rich clubs, because those of us who were around when things were genuinely going through tough times are in the main quite appreciative of how far we've come and from how far behind.



Absolutely what gets me. I feel like this site is populated with people who are ENIC/ Levy haters first and Spurs supporters second, who are far more concerned in saying "see, we've fucked up because we didn't spend £75m on Shineylio di Newplayerinho" than they are in actually watching what's in front of us and judging it for what it is. At the end of the day you can only have 11 players on the pitch at any given time and apart from Barcelona and Man City this season, there hasn't been any occasion this season where we'd not have at least half the players in a combined xi. Who signed the cheques to sign those players? Who orchestrated the development of our youth academy and coaching facilities to improve those players? Must be some kind of mythical spaghetti monster, because Levy is just a stingy **** who wants us to fail apparently.

Except I didn’t, but I’m beginning to realise that you might not be able to read. It’s the only logical explanation for, well, you.

Show me who was being negative towards Levy before this post, I'll wait. Infact I don't really care, I just find it hilarious how many times your posts end up with you lecturing fellow posters, you seem to consistently attack the man and not the point.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Okay, here’s a no half arsed answer. I think you dislike Daniel levy’s handling of the club. I think you feel that success is not his main motivation, but instead that he wants to grow the value of the club with minimum risk up until it is sold for an ebourmous amount. I think you believe Daniel Levy to be deceitful in his promises to a) not sell our best players and b) invest in the team consistently. I think you feel that it’s not so much that he has failed at various points to improve us, but that he’s deliberately tried to get away with not improving us on several occasions in hope that the manager will keep things going in the right direction regardless, and that Levy has only diverted from this approach when it has come close to disastrous outcomes (2008 for instance). I believe you think he is not doing a good job, but you also don’t think he’s doing a bad job, just that he’s doing a job with different desired outcomes (financial growth), to that which you value (on field success). I think that in your opinion, Levy would welcome on field success but it is not his priority.

I am also more than happy to be wrong on all of this, as I am Jeremy inferring it from years of posting and, without being in your head am very likely to be incorrect. But there you go, this is my non half arsed answer. That is exactly what I believe your opinions to be.

And yes, fine, I put myself on high ground. I do this because I at very least take time and effort to construct arguments which a basis in evidence available to us, rather than in my own personal feelings, and I don’t skew things to suit an agenda. I struggle to respect those who do the opposite, and have far more time for tjrmopinions if posters who vehemently disagree with me but actually take the time and effort to back up their views with anecdote and example (@doctor stefan Freud being a fine example).

Fair play for owning up to the horsey thing but really, that's just more bollocks isn't it? You struggle to this, you struggle to that. Who gives a fuck about your respect? You've gone off on one about people who don't measure up to either how you see things or how you expect them to interact with you and you talk about respect. Haha.

PS: @doctor stefan Freud is a spunkbubble

 

[Paolo10]

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Fair play for owning up to the horsey thing but really, that's just more bollocks isn't it? You struggle to this, you struggle to that. Who gives a fuck about your respect? You've gone off on one about people who don't measure up to either how you see things or how you expect them to interact with you and you talk about respect. Haha.

PS: @doctor stefan Freud is a spunkbubble

It really is ironic that you condemn anybody for being high and mighty when you spend your life on this site talking down to people.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

I see a lot of similarity between our model and what a lot of the German clubs are doing at the moment. We can't compete against any of the other top 6 in a pissing contest (at least not sustainably over multiple seasons). Instead, look to develop our own talent or take some of the talent from other clubs that won't get an opportunity there - the problem is a lot of that talent in the UK won't be a possibility due to a combination of fees charged to us as a UK club, certain clubs not dealing at all, and the 6 month headstart that foreign clubs have over us..........which is why the German clubs are having a field day!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

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And how many of those sides are currently below us in the table?

 

[scat1620]

Who gives a fuck about your respect?

Funny, or

PS: @doctor stefan Freud is a spunkbubble

Agree?

I split the difference and went with Winner. Yeah, take that, @doctor stefan Freud, you spunkbubble.

 

[SpursDave88]

Get your point about winning things...but Poch aside...bellends.

I was ultimately talking about the manner Poch conveys himself in public, you've brought up the winner mentality of the others, hardly surprising when ignoring the funds and squads at their disposal at times.

Oh yeah, Conte griped alright, called the board out, fell out with players. Still at Chelsea? ??.

Lesson worth learning indeed.

There's a reason UTD and Real Madrid are circling for Poch's services and I'm pretty certain it's not because he's a pretender. .

I’d much rather Poch came for two years and won the PL and FA cup then left then he stayed indefinitely winning 0.

Also I haven’t ignored the resources...I don’t think it’s possible to win a major trophy under Daniel Levy.

 

[jurgen]

Show me who was being negative towards Levy before this post, I'll wait. Infact I don't really care, I just find it hilarious how many times your posts end up with you lecturing fellow posters, you seem to consistently attack the man and not the point.

Yes I believe most posts were really concerning one poster’s contention that Poch still has to ‘prove’ himself in some manner. I believe that poster took significant umbrage with some of Poch’s early season lineups and was a little negative towards him at the time but of course Poch then delivered our best Prem start ever with zero summer investment.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Fair play for owning up to the horsey thing but really, that's just more bollocks isn't it? You struggle to this, you struggle to that. Who gives a fuck about your respect? You've gone off on one about people who don't measure up to either how you see things or how you expect them to interact with you and you talk about respect. Haha.

PS: @doctor stefan Freud is a spunkbubble

How did you know?

 

[Paolo10]

Call it a good guess?

 

[wrd]

Yes I believe most posts were really concerning one poster’s contention that Poch still has to ‘prove’ himself in some manner. I believe that poster took significant umbrage with some of Poch’s early season lineups and was a little negative towards him at the time but of course Poch then delivered our best Prem start ever with zero summer investment.

Yeah and you know the suggestion of having to prove himself could have been interpreted differently from the original posters intention, language is sometimes taken differently than the original intention which could easily have been solved by a sorry you misunderstood me, but instead it basically ended up becoming this shit show.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

And how many of those sides are currently below us in the table?

Haha, no correlation between how many trophies you win and what you spend on playing staff.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Call it a good guess?

Wankers. The lot of you

 

[scat1620]

but instead it basically ended up becoming this shit show.

Shit show? The last 5 or so pages have been gold. If it wasn't for nuggets like that then the only reason I'd have to visit the site would be to talk movies with @E17yid, school @Amo on movies, and be a role model for the kind of man @Spurrific could aspire to be if he could only lose that pesky virginity of his.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Anyway, I am guilty of creating a mess of the past few pages of this thread, for which I apologise to all and sundry, including those who don't deserve it. Next time such a situation arises, though not a man of faith, I will remember proverbs 26:4.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Shit show? The last 5 or so pages have been gold. If it wasn't for nuggets like that then the only reason I'd have to visit the site would be to talk movies with @E17yid, school @Amo on movies, and be a role model for the kind of man @Spurrific could aspire to be if he could only lose that pesky virginity of his.

The fuck? I step in with some nuanced self-deprecating comments to revive the fraternal bonds of SC, and you don’t personally mention me? This is why Brexit happens