Memphis Depay

[Shadydan]

The comparison that's relevant is certain players have bombed at that level yet shown they can step up massively. I.e. Kane.

A One season wonder in a Championship level League is all Depay is. Should we buy Tom Ince on that basis?

I'd understand the transfer if we were buying him from PSV now as all transfers have an element of risk. However having seen what an ineffective player Man Utd have made him on such a high wage and exhibiting a made it attitude without achieving real success.

I can see him going to China. His attitude would be rewarded.

How can that comparison be relevant when we were originally discussing the comparison that @stevensthfc made when he compared Townsedn and Depay, a point that you originally tried to back up in which i countered, you can't just move the goalposts like that

Also the rest is just pure filler, no idea why you keep bringing up your arguments against signing him when I already said that I'm not advocating the signing,if we do I wouldn't be against it.

 

[GeneralBurk]

How can that comparison be relevant when we were originally discussing the comparison that @stevensthfc made when he compared Townsedn and Depay, a point that you originally tried to back up in which i countered, you can't just move the goalposts like that

Also the rest is just pure filler, no idea why you keep bringing up your arguments against signing him when I already said that I'm not advocating the signing,if we do I wouldn't be against it.

No, you said Townsend was rubbish in the Championship and Depay at that age was having his season in Holland. I countered that Kane flopped in the Championship and it proves nothing. That's when you said I was digressing.

I would understand the mistake of the transfer at that point but certainly not since he's tanked at United.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

It's getting a bit tepid in here

 

[Shadydan]

No, you said Townsend was rubbish in the Championship and Depay at that age was having his season in Holland. I countered that Kane flopped in the Championship and it proves nothing. That's when you said I was digressing.

I would understand the mistake of the transfer at that point but certainly not since he's tanked at United.

How are you not getting this?

The comparison was between Townsend and Depay which I said was nonsense.

You said that Depay played in a weak league which is fair and said that Townsend hadn't in which I pointed out that he has in the Championship and really wasn't up to much in that league which is more or less the same level as the Eredivisie.

My point is about the comparison, not whether they've torn it up or been poor in their respective leagues, I don't understand your point about Kane saying that he flopped in the Championship and that proves nothing?, there's plenty of other players who flopped in the Championship and aren't really doing much in their career, what is that meant to prove?

 

[GeneralBurk]

How are you not getting this?

The comparison was between Townsend and Depay which I said was nonsense.

You said that Depay played in a weak league which is fair and said that Townsend hadn't in which I pointed out that he has in the Championship and really wasn't up to much in that league which is more or less the same level as the Eredivisie.

My point is about the comparison, not whether they've torn it up or been poor in their respective leagues, I don't understand your point about Kane saying that he flopped in the Championship and that proves nothing?, there's plenty of other players who flopped in the Championship and aren't really doing much in their career, what is that meant to prove?

The comparison between Townsend and Depay is fair. In the EPL Townsend has played significantly better just in a QPR shirt alone. The relevance of one season in the Dutch League to justify him being ahead of where Townsend is or was just doesn't stack up.

His 2 seasons in the EPL have been an unmitigated failure and they are the most relevant when considering his transfer. He has viewed joining Man Utd as achieving his dream when he should be thinking about the opportunity he has been offered and what achievements he can now aim for.

For Memphis Depay you can read Royston Drenthe.

 

[WiganSpur]

I'm not a huge fan of Son by any means but i'd rather have him than Depay.

He isn't any better than what we have and his attitude is also very questionable. No thanks.

 

[sunnydelight786]

Can we afford, or attract, a Draxler/Meyer/Brandt/Fekir/etc, NO. We are in the market for players on the cusp of breaking through or players who have huge potential but have fallen away. Depay falls in the latter category. Clearly the player has huge potential, see WC14/his games at PSV, but has been wrongly guided by going to MUFC. Under the correct manager/guidance I'm convinced he can fulfil his potential and turn out to be a huge bargain with his reported fee. He is worth a gamble at the £12/15m fee than Sissoko was at £30m

 

[GeneralBurk]

Can we afford, or attract, a Draxler/Meyer/Brandt/Fekir/etc, NO. We are in the market for players on the cusp of breaking through or players who have huge potential but have fallen away. Depay falls in the latter category. Clearly the player has huge potential, see WC14/his games at PSV, but has been wrongly guided by going to MUFC. Under the correct manager/guidance I'm convinced he can fulfil his potential and turn out to be a huge bargain with his reported fee. He is worth a gamble at the £12/15m fee than Sissoko was at £30m

I don't see this huge potential. You can't blame LVG for his attitude problem and JM clearly doesn't rate him. £90k a week for blueprint Adebayor who's only interested in the lifestyle.

Scouting players on this basis is how we ended up with Paulinho, Dumitrescu. Madrid bought Drenthe on the back of one tournament.

Balotelli had a fantastic World Cup in 2014 but a very questionable attititide. Should we buy him?

 

[Shadydan]

The comparison between Townsend and Depay is fair. In the EPL Townsend has played significantly better just in a QPR shirt alone. The relevance of one season in the Dutch League to justify him being ahead of where Townsend is or was just doesn't stack up.

His 2 seasons in the EPL have been an unmitigated failure and they are the most relevant when considering his transfer. He has viewed joining Man Utd as achieving his dream when he should be thinking about the opportunity he has been offered and what achievements he can now aim for.

For Memphis Depay you can read Royston Drenthe.

But you do know that you're comparing a 25 year old who's had over 200 games in English football compared to a 22 year old who arrived here last year with around 30 games in England, how is that a fair comparison?, it's utterley stupid.

Also you're doing it again...putting words in my mouth in order to form a straw man, I didn't say he was ahead of where Townsend is or was once again I used an example of his breakthrough season in the Dutch league to counter your weak league argument.

Edit a Blueprint Adebayor, wtf does that even mean

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Can we afford, or attract, a Draxler/Meyer/Brandt/Fekir/etc, NO. We are in the market for players on the cusp of breaking through or players who have huge potential but have fallen away. Depay falls in the latter category. Clearly the player has huge potential, see WC14/his games at PSV, but has been wrongly guided by going to MUFC. Under the correct manager/guidance I'm convinced he can fulfil his potential and turn out to be a huge bargain with his reported fee. He is worth a gamble at the £12/15m fee than Sissoko was at £30m

Meyer will have one year left on his contract in the summer, so I think he'll be attainable then.

 

[GeneralBurk]

But you do know that you're comparing a 25 year old who's had over 100 games in English football compared to a 22 year old who arrived here last year with around 30 games in England, how is that a fair comparison?, it's utterley stupid.

No I'm comparing him to the 22 year old Townsend that played for QPR. He's in his 2nd season and he has shown no improvement apart from his collection of cars.

Depay also has nearly 30 caps for Netherlands and 90 games for PSV. This isn't some kid fresh off the boat he'll be 23 in a month.

A move to Everton with Koeman and the opportunity to be more of a bigger draw could well bring out the best in him. He doesn't have to move house and can stay settled.

A move to the London with that ego not a great idea for me.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

No I'm comparing him to the 22 year old Townsend that played for QPR. He's in his 2nd season and he has shown no improvement apart from his collection of cars.

Depay also has nearly 30 caps for Netherlands and 90 games for PSV. This isn't some kid fresh off the boat he'll be 23 in a month.

A move to Everton with Koeman and the opportunity to be more of a bigger draw could well bring out the best in him. He doesn't have to move house and can stay settled.

A move to the London with that ego not a great idea for me.

Just because he hasn't featured for Manure doesn't make him shit. If you're taking that approach then you're implying Chelsea reject De Bruyne is crap, as was VD Vaart, as in Schneiderlin, and how about Alderwiereld when he wasn't played by A Madrid?

You can only brand a player a failure after they've failed to deliver at consecutive clubs or have racked up a chunk of games and looked way out of their depth.

 

[Shadydan]

No I'm comparing him to the 22 year old Townsend that played for QPR. He's in his 2nd season and he has shown no improvement apart from his collection of cars.

Depay also has nearly 30 caps for Netherlands and 90 games for PSV. This isn't some kid fresh off the boat he'll be 23 in a month.

A move to Everton with Koeman and the opportunity to be more of a bigger draw could well bring out the best in him. He doesn't have to move house and can stay settled.

A move to the London with that ego not a great idea for me.

lol Comparing them as 22 year olds, bloody hell I've heard it all now, why would you even compare players at their respective ages, that argument is even worse than the one you put forward!

Not really sure what your point is about the amount of games he's played, can't be in reference to what I said about your comparison in my last post surely...oh it probably is because you're not even trying to comprehend anything I've said and typing out random filler.

 

[Shadydan]

Just because he hasn't featured for Manure doesn't make him shit. If you're taking that approach then you're implying Chelsea reject De Bruyne is crap, as was VD Vaart, as in Schneiderlin, and how about Alderwiereld when he wasn't played by A Madrid?

You can only brand a player a failure after they've failed to deliver at consecutive clubs or have racked up a chunk of games and looked way out of their depth.

He's gonna say something about the fact that they didn't have an attitude problem or something like that. Honestly it's like the Danny Rose arguments all over again, it's like people only want to hear certain stories and run with them in their head until they actually believe it

 

[GeneralBurk]

Just because he hasn't featured for Manure doesn't make him shit. If you're taking that approach then you're implying Chelsea reject De Bruyne is crap, as was VD Vaart, as in Schneiderlin, and how about Alderwiereld when he wasn't played by A Madrid?

You can only brand a player a failure after they've failed to deliver at consecutive clubs or have racked up a chunk of games and looked way out of their depth.

He's been shit in a Man United shirt since he joined. No improvement and the new manager doesn't rate him. That's why he's not playing.

Schneidelin has had a rough time at United but I would have less issue with him joining in terms of wages as his attitude is not one of a 'made it bell end'. Any of those players quoted reported to have stinking attitudes? No.

We've done this before with Adebayor and been stuck with a high earner bleeding the club dry.

All those players took a significant drop in standard of club to secure first team football with the intention of rebuilding their careers. Which is why a move to Everton makes sense.

 

[GeneralBurk]

lol Comparing them as 22 year olds, bloody hell I've heard it all now, why would you even compare players at their respective ages, that argument is even worse than the one you put forward!

Not really sure what your point is about the amount of games he's played, can't be in reference to what I said about your comparison in my last post surely...oh it probably is because you're not even trying to comprehend anything I've said and typing out random filler.

You're hanging your whole argument on one season in the average Dutch League. Everything else he's done has been robbing a very comfortable living. £90k a week for the next Royston Drenthe? No thanks.

As for the age thing your trying to pass him off as some wet behind the ears kid. He is the Dutch Townsend. One dined out on his season at QPR and the other for a season at PSV.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

He's been shit in a Man United shirt since he joined. No improvement and the new manager doesn't rate him. That's why he's not playing.

Schneidelin has had a rough time at United but I would have less issue with him joining in terms of wages as his attitude is not one of a 'made it bell end'. Any of those players quoted reported to have stinking attitudes? No.

We've done this before with Adebayor and been stuck with a high earner bleeding the club dry.

All those players took a significant drop in standard of club to secure first team football with the intention of rebuilding their careers. Which is why a move to Everton makes sense.

A bad attitude? You mean like when Rose thought he was a gangster and ran forward and jogged or walked back into position? Look how things have turned around for him. Just because Depay likes to wear eccentric clothes and doesn't get a game under a delluded manager doesn't make him a bad player. After all this is a manager who described Rojo as a clean player despite making 2 x rated challenges that both deserved reds.

 

[Shadydan]

You're hanging your whole argument on one season in the average Dutch League. Everything else he's done has been robbing a very comfortable living. £90k a week for the next Royston Drenthe? No thanks.

As for the age thing your trying to pass him off as some wet behind the ears kid. He is the Dutch Townsend. One dined out on his season at QPR and the other for a season at PSV.

Oh there you go again with the straw man and the unnecessary filler in your post, you are literally having your own argument there, you're just not even beginning to comprehend my posts...well have fun mate

 

[GeneralBurk]

A bad attitude? You mean like when Rose thought he was a gangster and ran forward and jogged or walked back into position? Look how things have turned around for him. Just because Depay likes to wear eccentric clothes and doesn't get a game under a delluded manager doesn't make him a bad player. After all this is a manager who described Rojo as a clean player despite making 2 x rated challenges that both deserved reds.

Without getting sidetracked with the relative merits of LVG or Mourinho my point remains his performances in the EPL have been very poor since August 2015. If he wants to get game time then something like Everton might work as they need players and have cash burning a hole.

At £90k a week he would instantly become one of our top earners and to justify this he would have to turn in performances only achieved in the Dutch League. Which have to be taken with a pinch of salt given the quality of opposition.

I just don't see the reward outweighing the risk.

 

[SpursDave88]

He's shit, can people please stop deluding themselves...