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SpurSince57

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I meant clueless in the sense of defense & CM's. He did well at freeing the attack, however depended greatly on the talents of Ade & Eriksen.

Sandro's ball winning stats were not a major improvement on the year before. Interceptions and clearances increased a lot but ball winning decreased slightly.


Apps Tackle Int Fouls Clearances Was Dribbled Blk Shots
22 3.3 3.6 1.5 3.5 0.5 0.4
17(6) 3.7 1.9 1.2 1 0.3 0.2
11(8) 3.7 2.2 1.4 1.7 0.6 0.2

His defensive record was only marginally worse than AVB's last season, 1.35 conceded per game against 1.31.

As you would. Rodgers depends hugely on Suarez and Sturridge, and appears no more able to organise his defence than Sherwood and AVB were. Yet some regard him as a top coach.

According to the Torygraph they were. 20 successful tackles out of 24 equates to 83%. In 2012-13 he won 47/72 (65%), and in 2011-12 62/84 (74%).

I make it that he played 45 minutes or more in 11 games last season, from which we gained 15 points. That means that from the remaining 27, in which he played only a negligible part or no part at all, we took 54 points. Games against the CL Cartel were more or less evenly spread. Whichever way you cut it, that suggests at the very least that we managed perfectly happily without Sandro. It also suggests that Sherwood's much-derided belief that we didn't need a dedicated DM may not have been as bonkers as it seemed, at least against sides outside the top six, against whom we improved our showing.

Food for thought?
 
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spurs9

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His defensive record was only marginally worse than AVB's last season, 1.35 conceded per game against 1.31.

As you would. Rodgers depends hugely on Suarez and Sturridge, and appears no more able to organise his defence. Yet some regard him as a top coach.

According to the Torygraph they were. 20 successful tackles out of 24 equates to 83%. In 2012-13 he won 47/72 (65%), and in 2011-12 62/84 (74%).

I make it that he played 45 minutes or more in 11 games last season, from which we gained 15 points. That means that from the remaining 27, in which he played only a negligible part or no part at all, we took 54 points. Games against the CL Cartel were more or less evenly spread. Whichever way you cut it, that suggests at the very least that we managed perfectly happily without Sandro. It also suggests that Sherwood's much-derided belief that we didn't need a dedicated DM may not have been as bonkers as it seemed, at least against sides outside the top six, against whom we improved our showing.

Food for thought?

What season was the 83% successful tackles? As you stated yourself he had 65% successful tackles in 2012-13 where as the season before (2011-12) he had 74%, so a decline.

Where did you get 11 games 45 mins or over from? I make it 9, what games am I missing?

Villa Won 1-0
Hull Won 1-0
Everton Drew 0-0
Man City Loss 0-6
Man Utd Drew 0-0
Fulham Won 2-1
Chelsea Loss 0-4
Arsenal Loss - 0-1
Villa Won 3-0

In the games Sandro played 45 mins or more, 55% were against the top 7. In the games Sandro played less than 45 mins (or not at all) 24% were against the top 7, so it isn't fair to compare win rates pf games with Sandro vs without.

Another thing you haven't taken into account is continuity, Sandro didn't start more than 3 games in a row, so he was never going to build up any kind of form.

Also, the original post which started this, I claimed Sandro was poor (for a number of factors) this season and I was talking about how good Sandro wast last season, comparing the situation to RVP's at Arsenal after he had a serious injury.
 

SpurSince57

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What season was the 83% successful tackles? As you stated yourself he had 65% successful tackles in 2012-13 where as the season before (2011-12) he had 74%, so a decline.

Where did you get 11 games 45 mins or over from? I make it 9, what games am I missing?

Villa Won 1-0
Hull Won 1-0
Everton Drew 0-0
Man City Loss 0-6
Man Utd Drew 0-0
Fulham Won 2-1
Chelsea Loss 0-4
Arsenal Loss - 0-1
Villa Won 3-0

In the games Sandro played 45 mins or more, 55% were against the top 7. In the games Sandro played less than 45 mins (or not at all) 24% were against the top 7, so it isn't fair to compare win rates pf games with Sandro vs without.

Another thing you haven't taken into account is continuity, Sandro didn't start more than 3 games in a row, so he was never going to build up any kind of form.

Also, the original post which started this, I claimed Sandro was poor (for a number of factors) this season and I was talking about how good Sandro wast last season, comparing the situation to RVP's at Arsenal after he had a serious injury.

Last season.

Villa (3)
West Ham (0)
Arsenal (0)
Chelsea (1)
Fulham (3)
United (1)
City (0)
Newcastle (0)
Everton (1)
Hull (3)
Villa (3)

Why not the top eight? Or the top nine? In any case, we beat Everton, Newcastle and United without Sandro, so it was a seven-point swing—and two of those games were away.

Whichever way you try to cut it, Sandro was not hugely missed.

I don't understand what van Persie has to do with this.
 

spurs9

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Last season.

Villa (3)
West Ham (0)
Arsenal (0)
Chelsea (1)
Fulham (3)
United (1)
City (0)
Newcastle (0)
Everton (1)
Hull (3)
Villa (3)

Why not the top eight? Or the top nine? In any case, we beat Everton, Newcastle and United without Sandro, so it was a seven-point swing—and two of those games were away.

Whichever way you try to cut it, Sandro was not hugely missed.

I don't understand what van Persie has to do with this.
When you say last season do you class as the season just ended as last season or this season?

Sandro didn't play 45 (or more) in either West Ham game. He played 25 mins in the 2-0 loss and was an unused sub in the 3-0 loss. I will give you the Newcastle loss as he came on a few mins after half time, so will be close enough to playing 45. Also worth noting that in that game we were already losing when he came on.

Anyway, like I have already said, I have pointed out that Sandro wasn't playing well last year.

In my first post that you replied to I explained why I was comparing his situation with RVP (I copied it below to refresh you). I know they may have different outcomes, but basically I was saying we shouldn't give up on a player, just because they are struggling with injuries and form at the moment and using RVP as an example. That is also the reason why I was comparing Sandro's pre-injury stats to the stats of the player our fans are calling to replace him.

"I remember when Arsenal fans were calling for an injury prone Van Persie to be sold after he had a slow recovery from an serious injury. He was struggling to get game time and when he did he only scored something like 2 goals in 13 games. Once he got his fitness and form back he scored something like 18 goals in 17 games."
 

Indacupfortottenham

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We are already overloaded with great options/talent in midfield.
Would be surprised if Poch and Baldini thought that was an area of the squad that needed strengthening with this lot to choose from and develop.
Sandro, Paulinho, Dembele, Bentaleb, Livermore, Capoue, Carroll, Eriksen, Sigurdsson, Holtby.

If anything we need to get rid of a few to balance the squad and give the youth team players a chance if we pick up any injuries.
 

SpurSince57

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When you say last season do you class as the season just ended as last season or this season?

Sandro didn't play 45 (or more) in either West Ham game. He played 25 mins in the 2-0 loss and was an unused sub in the 3-0 loss. I will give you the Newcastle loss as he came on a few mins after half time, so will be close enough to playing 45. Also worth noting that in that game we were already losing when he came on.

Anyway, like I have already said, I have pointed out that Sandro wasn't playing well last year.

In my first post that you replied to I explained why I was comparing his situation with RVP (I copied it below to refresh you). I know they may have different outcomes, but basically I was saying we shouldn't give up on a player, just because they are struggling with injuries and form at the moment and using RVP as an example. That is also the reason why I was comparing Sandro's pre-injury stats to the stats of the player our fans are calling to replace him.

"I remember when Arsenal fans were calling for an injury prone Van Persie to be sold after he had a slow recovery from an serious injury. He was struggling to get game time and when he did he only scored something like 2 goals in 13 games. Once he got his fitness and form back he scored something like 18 goals in 17 games."

I mean the one just finished.

Sorry, misread the list.

If he was playing poorly, Sherwood was surely justified in dropping him.

RvP's goalscoring record was indifferent for most of his Arsenal career. He was extremely wasteful of the chances that came his way and got into double figures—with just 11 goals—only twice in six seasons. He suddenly clicked in 2010-11. It wasn't just one season Gooners were unhappy with.
 

DaSpurs

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Interestingly enough, a Saints ITK reported Barry is on their target list. This may indicate absolutely nothing for their current squad, but it may also indicate they're resigned to see Schneiderlin or Wanyama lifted off them this summer.
 

indianspurs

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Interestingly enough, a Saints ITK reported Barry is on their target list. This may indicate absolutely nothing for their current squad, but it may also indicate they're resigned to see Schneiderlin or Wanyama lifted off them this summer.

More a case of him being a free agent so thus getting someone experienced for squad cover. They suffered massively last season when Wanyama was injured for a long time.
 

DaSpurs

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More a case of him being a free agent so thus getting someone experienced for squad cover. They suffered massively last season when Wanyama was injured for a long time.

This was my first thought as well. But Barry isn't going to move from City to Saints to just provide cover, nor would they pay his wages for him to do so.

Again, I'm not saying anything one way or the other, but it does elicit interest.
 

wiggo24

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Above 90% pass completion, but always looked to pass forward, not sideways.

Something I think our CM's should try....
 

spurs9

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Sublime; Did the job he was picked for; Stopped everything down the middle; On the contrary, Pogba had a bad game in giving away balls
How was his passing? Did he get the ball forward quickly, start any attacks etc?
 

arunspurs

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How was his passing? Did he get the ball forward quickly, start any attacks etc?

Yes, he got the ball & pass forward, made few good runs -problem was Sissoko, Pogba & Benzema had poor game - so nothing really came out of all those attack;

If Sandro goes, Sneiderlin is more than good enough to replace him
 

Mr Pink

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Played very well tonight.

Not that I needed convincing, he's quality. Hope we're seriously considering it.
 

spurs9

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Yes, he got the ball & pass forward, made few good runs -problem was Sissoko, Pogba & Benzema had poor game - so nothing really came out of all those attack;

If Sandro goes, Sneiderlin is more than good enough to replace him
Thanks for the info. If Poch really made him the player he is today, I am excited to see what he can do with Capoue & Sandro.
 

DaSpurs

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Above 90% pass completion, but always looked to pass forward, not sideways.

Something I think our CM's should try....

One of those times when just one "winner" is entirely insufficient. I wish I had alt logins to give you more.
 
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