Much maligned players

[Gb160]

The point that I am making is even if he plays to his normal level, and everyone else has a bad game, that does not eradicate the glaring holes in his game. Just because everyone has played worse does not mean he has played well. He just sticks out less.

Thats great, but why did you quote me if thats not what I'm referencing, where did I say he played well?
Im referring to the shit he gets when there are many worse players that are deserving of it.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Thats great, but why did you quote me if thats not what I'm referencing, where did I say he played well?
Im referring to the shit he gets when there are many worse players that are deserving of it.

I'm pretty sure that most people said that everyone who played vs Southampton were pony. Sissoko is much maligned because he has consistently played at that level. Other players get more leeway because we have seen their quality.

If someone consistently put in Sissoko level performances then I think they would attract the same level of criticism.

 

[Gb160]

I'm pretty sure that most people said that everyone who played vs Southampton were pony. Sissoko is much maligned because he has consistently played at that level. Other players get more leeway because we have seen their quality.

If someone consistently put in Sissoko level performances then I think they would attract the same level of criticism.

Thanks for spectacularly missing the point, and also for your expert opinion.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Thanks for spectacularly missing the point, and also for your expert opinion.

I literally answered your point about why I don't think that Sissoko is a "scapegoat". I specifically answered why it would seem that he gets more stick than other players. I'm not entirely sure what I have missed?

On a side note, no need for the sarcy comments and condescension. Up to that point I felt we were having a perfectly pleasant conversation.

 

[Gb160]

I literally answered your point about why I don't think that Sissoko is a "scapegoat". I specifically answered why it would seem that he gets more stick than other players. I'm not entirely sure what I have missed?

On a side note, no need for the sarcy comments and condescension. Up to that point I felt we were having a perfectly pleasant conversation.

It was until you started with the hyperbolic nonsense, very odd how you think he's consistently terrible yet our manager thinks "He has been one of the most important players".

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

It was until you started with the hyperbolic nonsense, very odd how you think he's consistently terrible yet our manager thinks "He has been one of the most important players".

It was until you started with the hyperbolic nonsense, very odd how you think he's consistently terrible yet our manager thinks "He has been one of the most important players".

"Terrible" is your word, not mine.

I would be alarmed if Pochettino said that Sissoko was "terrible". That would be very poor man-management, regardless of the players performance.

The fact that Sissoko has been a poor signing is an opinion that has been shared by many people, including people within the football industry.

As a question, do you believe that Sissoko is one of our "most important players"?

With everyone fit does Sissoko make your starting eleven?

Our most important players (in my opinion) would be Lloris, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Wanayama, Eriksen, and Kane.

 

[Gb160]

"Terrible" is your word, not mine.

I would be alarmed if Pochettino said that Sissoko was "terrible". That would be very poor man-management, regardless of the players performance.

The fact that Sissoko has been a poor signing is an opinion that has been shared by many people, including people within the football industry.

As a question, do you believe that Sissoko is one of our "most important players"?

With everyone fit does Sissoko make your starting eleven?

Our most important players (in my opinion) would be Lloris, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Wanayama, Eriksen, and Kane.

What I think and what other fans think isn't of any importance, fans are very limited and are basically pretty ignorant, although many think the exact opposite.
And its not a fact though is it? its an opinion.
He's scapegoated because he's an easy target for the ignorant.

 

[mpickard2087]

It's basically code for he runs about a lot. And whilst he wasn't the worst in the game for us, Sissoko wasn't exactly brilliant in the defensive transitions last weekend......

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

What I think and what other fans think isn't of any importance, fans are very limited and are basically pretty ignorant, although many think the exact opposite.
And its not a fact though is it? its an opinion.
He's scapegoated because he's an easy target for the ignorant.

We are all very aware that our opinions mean the square root of fuck all on here, but it's fun to do it anyway. It's a discussion forum for people to discuss things about Spurs. Not all opinions are made equal, and that is exactly where the fun is.

It is very rare to get people attempting to lay down their opinions as facts when it comes to football.

Your opinion is that Sissoko is one of our most important players, my opinion is that he is not of the required standard to aid us in achieving our ambitions. If it was all about quantifiable facts, then this website would just be a picture of the Premier League table.

 

[piedpiper]

I think there is a correlation between the price we pay for a player and expectations w.r.t ability.. Bentely/Bent/Lamela/Sissoko.

We dont regularly pay crazy prices and when we do pay then i suppose as supporters we want to see substance vs the price paid.

I know that when we signed Lamela i wasn't all that impressed..but had we paid £5 million for him then his initial performances wouldnt have bothered me.

Sissoko is the same.... Im still baffled that we paid the sum of money that we did pay.

I must acknowledge that they both give their all.. Except that Sissoko i feel is such a limited player. Ive seen Poch's comments on Sissoko today.... Im convinced Sissoko has dirt on on him.

 

[Gb160]

We are all very aware that our opinions mean the square root of fuck all on here, but it's fun to do it anyway. It's a discussion forum for people to discuss things about Spurs. Not all opinions are made equal, and that is exactly where the fun is.

It is very rare to get people attempting to lay down their opinions as facts when it comes to football.

Your opinion is that Sissoko is one of our most important players, my opinion is that he is not of the required standard to aid us in achieving our ambitions. If it was all about quantifiable facts, then this website would just be a picture of the Premier League table.

You just did it mate.
Look this has skewed massively from the point I was making, which is Sissoko getting scapegoated, you then went on stating it was a fact that he was a bad signing, which I countered with the Poch quote, as I don't think he'd share your opinion that he's been a bad signing, after saying he's one of our most important players.

I should point out, thats not my opinion, thats our managers opinion...my opinion is he is nowhere near as bad as you and many others on here make him out to be, and is unfairly blamed when things don't go our way.

Best to leave it there mate, maybe you're just doing what Poch mentioned and still using your first impression to judge him, maybe you know more than Poch, its a forum after all, and you're entitled to your view.

 

[dontcallme]

Essentially I support any player putting in the effort. Sissoko, Soldado and others didn’t perform to the level we had hoped for but tried to make a success of it.

Others like Bentley just didn’t care and were happy to get their pay cheque.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

You just did it mate.
Look this has skewed massively from the point I was making, which is Sissoko getting scapegoated, you then went on stating it was a fact that he was a bad signing, which I countered with the Poch quote, as I don't think he'd share your opinion that he's been a bad signing, after saying he's one of our most important players.

I should point out, thats not my opinion, thats our managers opinion...my opinion is he is nowhere near as bad as you and many others on here make him out to be, and is unfairly blamed when things don't go our way.

Best to leave it there mate, maybe you're just doing what Poch mentioned and still using your first impression to judge him, maybe you know more than Poch, its a forum after all, and you're entitled to your view.

"Sissoko is a poor signing is an opinion". You've only picked up on half of a sentence.....

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think those words from Pochettino about Sissoko, if he genuinely means them and isn't just saying what he thinks to boost his confidence etc, are actually quite troubling. If he thinks Sissoko is vital to enable quick and incisive transitioning, or that he's the only one capable of that, then it's as worrying as when he went through that phase of preferring Townsend to Lamela (including in a cup final) and kept picking Chadli. Or keeps playing Dier in central midfield, including with Wanyama. Or played Son as a LWB in a cup final.

I love Pochittino, but I vehemently disagree with some of the shit he thinks and does.