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TriXed

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it'll be low risk stuff, not really just free spins... normally make the money on the initial wagering before the free spins

Hills had a Bingo offer on last 2 weeks, stake £10 get £3 bonus wagered 30x on a few times i hit £65, £74 wins on the initial wagering and a few times during the £3 bonus hit big wins, which made making it through wagering easier and making nice profits other times you completely lose your £10 but over the course of 2 weeks you will be up (normally!!)

My question is, how much time do you spend on these Casino offers? When I was giving it a go, it wasn't just an hour or so and more in the range of 3 to 4 hours or more. I understand if it's done right then you can be up like yourself but it's a lot of time... or was I doing it wrong?
 

mightyspur

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My question is, how much time do you spend on these Casino offers? When I was giving it a go, it wasn't just an hour or so and more in the range of 3 to 4 hours or more. I understand if it's done right then you can be up like yourself but it's a lot of time... or was I doing it wrong?
Depends how organised you are and your attitude to risk/strategy.

I do £1 spins on everything as it means I am increasing my +EV per hour, but if you have a smaller bank/attitude to risk you should do smaller spins, but these obviously take longer to get through the wagering/initial stake.

I have multiple accounts across several bookies and always do the Will Hill, Lads, Coral, Sky daily offers and it takes me about 30-45 mins for all.

In reality I could spend all day looking for offers and doing them, but I tend to just stick with these few main ones. I aim to try and hit about £50 - £100 EV a day
 

TriXed

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Depends how organised you are and your attitude to risk/strategy.

I do £1 spins on everything as it means I am increasing my +EV per hour, but if you have a smaller bank/attitude to risk you should do smaller spins, but these obviously take longer to get through the wagering/initial stake.

I have multiple accounts across several bookies and always do the Will Hill, Lads, Coral, Sky daily offers and it takes me about 30-45 mins for all.

In reality I could spend all day looking for offers and doing them, but I tend to just stick with these few main ones. I aim to try and hit about £50 - £100 EV a day

Interesting - Those 4 usually have enough to do that? And does that mean that you can go on a run of a few bad days and be - £100 or more?
 

mightyspur

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Interesting - Those 4 usually have enough to do that? And does that mean that you can go on a run of a few bad days and be - £100 or more?
Yeah, but I have the bank to handle those loses. These are my Profit vs. EV over the last few months.

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As you can see in Sept, I was almost £1k down for the month at one point, but it turned itself around.

Oct has been very similar and was nearly £200 down, but it's now back up to £861.06 profit over the month on casino.

You just need to make sure you manage the losses against your bank. If you hit that stop and you can build it back up with the sports betting offers

In terms of where I am for Casino EV versus profit, I'm pretty much spot on. EV is £12,008 and my profit is £12,301. You have to think of it as long term profits, rather than, "oh I am £200 / £500 etc. down today".

For this month my EV is £1.6k and my profit is "only" £800, so I'm under, but if you take the entire EV vs. Profit since I started, I'm still ahead.
 

TriXed

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For this month my EV is £1.6k and my profit is "only" £800, so I'm under, but if you take the entire EV vs. Profit since I started, I'm still ahead.

Yeah this is the level of organisation you need to do to make this work! I need a tutorial in your process to follow!! Looks like you need at least £1k free to use as a bankroll for casino offers as well. Will need to look into this again at some point as in the long run, does work it looks like...
 

mightyspur

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Yeah this is the level of organisation you need to do to make this work! I need a tutorial in your process to follow!! Looks like you need at least £1k free to use as a bankroll for casino offers as well. Will need to look into this again at some point as in the long run, does work it looks like...
I got my £1k from doing all the New Customer sign-ups and getting started, plus a bit of my own cash I was willing to risk. Still dabble with the sports stuff and do a bit of dutching, but pretty much all my profit comes from the lower risk casino stuff

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TriXed

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Yeah, I started with the sportsbook and ran out of the offers and of course, spent all the profits away! I also messed up some early casino offers meaning I was down on them very early on, so got the wrong idea about how they work which put me off the whole thing and I cancelled my membership, as I couldn't actually afford to do anything with it/thought it took more time than advertised.

What would you suggest is the best way back in, with say a starting balance of £200?
 

mightyspur

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If you only have £200, I'd avoid casino completely apart from any completely risk free ones, like free spins and just build up your bank on the sports offers. Plenty about. E.g. Will Hill have bet £10 get £5 free in play. Betway have Betyourway £5 and get free £10 bet etc. Just take a few weeks to build your bank up and then if you want to start risking 1% of your total bank on some of the daily casino offers you can.

When you say, "messed up some early casino offers", how exactly did you mess them up?
 

TriXed

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Thanks for all your advice so far!

I didn't fully understand how they worked... I did that Monopoly loophole that people won big on. Think I did high wager spins and didn't hit...I also didn't deposit correctly, missing out on some free money for doing so and therefore messing up the EV. All in all, it was a huge cock up that cost me about £150 that I didn't have to lose at the time. :banghead:

I had a few further attempts at some others, won a couple of small amounts but other than that, it seemed like it took an age to complete the wagering...wasted a good 4 hours over two attempts for nothing and it was more time than I had to spare really. I don't think I ever really understood what spin values I should be betting and when.

I understood the sports betting but after the opening offers it seemed much harder to find bets that worked at the times I wanted to do it, it had to be in and around the correct times, often when I was not really available. I may have just been doing it wrong, I'm not sure. :facepalm:
 

DEFchenkOE

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I could do with getting back into this, I stopped when I seemed to keep losing the casino bets. The wagering requirements always seemed impossible for me to profit from.
 

mightyspur

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Completely agree... @mightyspur - Any advice on this?
Any offer that comes with a wagering requirement does make it less likely to be able to complete, but as long as the total EV of the offer is positive, it doesn't matter.

Depending on a number of factors such as the RTP of the slot, its volatility, stake size, how much you have to stake to get the offer, or if your initial deposit is tied in with the bonus, it changes the probability of being able to complete the offer. It's why the Advanced Casino offers are so volatile and the truth is, you will lose more times than you win. The difference is though when you win, you win more money back than you lose on the other offers (assuming you're building up your EV)

I do something like 650 - 800 offers a month, trying to hit £1.5 - £2k EV. Of those offers I will probably lose money on about 70%-80% of them. On the 20%-30% I do win on, it wipes out those losses and some.

I also focus most on offers that are stake X to get Y as I know the chances of losing X totally is fairly low and I often have a decent win, whilst staking X and then fuck all when I get the bonus. These are the "lower risk" offers that can be lowered even more by staking min stakes (but that takes a lot more time, which is why I just got with £1 spins). On these offers it is quite rare I ever complete wagering on a bonus, but it's possible now with the new regulations to be able to cancel the bonus if you do have a big win on your own cash.

William Hill often have a Buy in with £25 get £10 bonus. It uses your own cash first and if you get a big win before you get to using the bonus funds, I just cancel the bonus. Generally for these types of offers I am aiming to double my buy in amount. Again, I will tend to lose more often than I win, so I am risking £25 each time, but if your bank can handle it, then it's worth doing as something like that has an EV of about £6-£8. These type of offers are more advanced though and you really want to be staking a little bigger to get the bigger wins. That makes it more volatile of course, but it can return big.
 

DEFchenkOE

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I just moved house recently so going through all the new sign up offers under my wife's name. Haven't signed back up to profit squad though just using a free site for guidance.

Will think about what to do next once all the sign up offers were done.

I remember doing the horse offers on Saturdays for the live racing and that wasn't too bad. Was a bit hit and miss whether I would make a profit or not but at least the losses were minimal. Was a bit time consuming for a Saturday morning though but OK when I had the time.
 

Blockbuster

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I just moved house recently so going through all the new sign up offers under my wife's name. Haven't signed back up to profit squad though just using a free site for guidance.

Will think about what to do next once all the sign up offers were done.

I remember doing the horse offers on Saturdays for the live racing and that wasn't too bad. Was a bit hit and miss whether I would make a profit or not but at least the losses were minimal. Was a bit time consuming for a Saturday morning though but OK when I had the time.
if you are using your own accounts as well, make sure you use a difference device & internet connection for the wifes accounts
 

neilp

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I haven’t done hardly any of these offers, but I was sat at home on Monday without much to do and Paddy Power had sent me another offer on slots, bet £20 and get 10 free spins. ( I didn’t realise the free spins were only worth 20p each....)

Anyway, I was doing £1 spins and after 6 spins it went crazy and kept spinning and winning for ages, I ended up winning £520.

Now wondering if this is a complete one off? ?
 

mightyspur

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I haven’t done hardly any of these offers, but I was sat at home on Monday without much to do and Paddy Power had sent me another offer on slots, bet £20 and get 10 free spins. ( I didn’t realise the free spins were only worth 20p each....)

Anyway, I was doing £1 spins and after 6 spins it went crazy and kept spinning and winning for ages, I ended up winning £520.

Now wondering if this is a complete one off? ?
The expected value (EV) on that offer would be about £1.20: £20x96%rtp + 20px10. Meaning every time you did it, you can "expect" to win £1.20

x520 stake is a great return, but it's definitely not the norm. You would expect to do that offer about 430 odd times to get that profit, but that's the point of this strategy. All about volume of offers you do
 
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