New Stadium Details And Discussions

[davidmatzdorf]

I've always thought that. We were sold a dream of a steep rake and also a pitch almost as close to the stands as WHL. Don't think that's going to happen either. As it happens I think the upper tiers will be better but until we're in we'll have to see. It won't be a Dortmund though imo.

What I have read repeatedly is that the rakes of the various tiers are as steep as can be achieved, given modern regulations and the challenges of getting a decent view for 61k people. That was never going to be as steep as the existing stadium. But I think we'll find it's steeper than the Emirates and steeper than Wembley.

The geometry is such that the upper tiers have to be steeper to provide a view of the pitch for the people at the back, the lower tiers less so.

The same principle applies to the proximity of the crowd to the pitch. I have read several times that it will be the minimum distance that is consistent with current regulations.

 

[UpTownSpur]

Do we really need 4 screens? It's complete overkill. Wouldn't the two big ones at the back of the South Stand be enough? Especially as we want the fans in their to not behave like bellends and nudge their mate and say "ooh look we're on the telly!" And the North Stand screens are at the expense of some seats. I'd estimate about 500+. And we could increase the capacity to around 62k without them.

 

[chrissivad]

Do American football stadiums have multiple screens?
With replays I'm sure it's handy for fans to see what happened during stoppages.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

What I have read repeatedly is that the rakes of the various tiers are as steep as can be achieved, given modern regulations and the challenges of getting a decent view for 61k people. That was never going to be as steep as the existing stadium. But I think we'll find it's steeper than the Emirates and steeper than Wembley.

The geometry is such that the upper tiers have to be steeper to provide a view of the pitch for the people at the back, the lower tiers less so.

The same principle applies to the proximity of the crowd to the pitch. I have read several times that it will be the minimum distance that is consistent with current regulations.

I'm sure the new stand at Anfield is much much much steeper than anything will be in our new bowl

 

[SandroClegane]

Do American football stadiums have multiple screens?
With replays I'm sure it's handy for fans to see what happened during stoppages.

Most do.

I don't see an issue with it here.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

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The Sainsbury's really is a sight to behold.

 

[tottenmal]

I'm sure the new stand at Anfield is much much much steeper than anything will be in our new bowl

Others can correct me if I'm wrong, but Liverpool got around exactly this problem by classing the stand as an extension or refurb, rather than a completely new stand, which would have to comply to modern spec. There where various areas that the lower tier of the stand would fail on if built today (such as tread depth etc, but because it was only refurbished, with an extension on top, the narrow vomitories and shallow steps etc could stay. As the regulations state that if it's a stand built before a certain date, these things can be allowed for.

A brand new stadium can't have these excuses though sadly, and a minimum amount of comfort is expected as well.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Others can correct me if I'm wrong, but Liverpool got around exactly this problem by classing the stand as an extension or refurb, rather than a completely new stand, which would have to comply to modern spec. There where various areas that the lower tier of the stand would fail on if built today (such as tread depth etc, but because it was only refurbished, with an extension on top, the narrow vomitories and shallow steps etc could stay. As the regulations state that if it's a stand built before a certain date, these things can be allowed for.

A brand new stadium can't have these excuses though sadly, and a minimum amount of comfort is expected as well.

I haven't read this anywhere, but it sounds accurate to me. The same principles often apply when comparing residential refurbishments to new-build housing.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Others can correct me if I'm wrong, but Liverpool got around exactly this problem by classing the stand as an extension or refurb, rather than a completely new stand, which would have to comply to modern spec. There where various areas that the lower tier of the stand would fail on if built today (such as tread depth etc, but because it was only refurbished, with an extension on top, the narrow vomitories and shallow steps etc could stay. As the regulations state that if it's a stand built before a certain date, these things can be allowed for.

A brand new stadium can't have these excuses though sadly, and a minimum amount of comfort is expected as well.

Thanks for that. Probably why I always wanted WHL redeveloped rather than new build

I can certainly do without a little leg room and a cushioned seat in return for a ground that lends itself to a much better atmosphere

All modern stadia in the mould that we have gone for offer little or no atmosphere. It's just the way the grounds are these days

With much more room, shallower seating more exits etc etc it adds to less togetherness from the home supporters.

You can never recreate the atmospheres of the old grounds in these modern things

 

[Drink!Drink!]

Others can correct me if I'm wrong, but Liverpool got around exactly this problem by classing the stand as an extension or refurb, rather than a completely new stand, which would have to comply to modern spec. There where various areas that the lower tier of the stand would fail on if built today (such as tread depth etc, but because it was only refurbished, with an extension on top, the narrow vomitories and shallow steps etc could stay. As the regulations state that if it's a stand built before a certain date, these things can be allowed for.

A brand new stadium can't have these excuses though sadly, and a minimum amount of comfort is expected as well.

Incredible...and to think Liverpool want to veto other clubs having the choice of having safe standing

 

[UpTownSpur]

Do American football stadiums have multiple screens?
With replays I'm sure it's handy for fans to see what happened during stoppages.

They generally have one humungous one at one end. But American Football is different. Everyone watches "the play" for a few seconds and makes noise. And in between plays they stuff their faces with food and watch the screen. We don't want anyone watching the screen during the game for football, I would personally only have them switched on for replays of goals, and for pre game and half time entertainment.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Thanks for that. Probably why I always wanted WHL redeveloped rather than new build

"Redeveloped" is the same as "new build". You probably mean "refurbished" or "extended".

 

[absolute bobbins]

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It's a shit hole but I fucking love Tottenham

 

[Wellspurs]

What I have read repeatedly is that the rakes of the various tiers are as steep as can be achieved, given modern regulations and the challenges of getting a decent view for 61k people. That was never going to be as steep as the existing stadium. But I think we'll find it's steeper than the Emirates and steeper than Wembley.

The geometry is such that the upper tiers have to be steeper to provide a view of the pitch for the people at the back, the lower tiers less so.

The same principle applies to the proximity of the crowd to the pitch. I have read several times that it will be the minimum distance that is consistent with current regulations.

So no trampoline gaps then?

 

[tottenmal]

I haven't read this anywhere, but it sounds accurate to me. The same principles often apply when comparing residential refurbishments to new-build housing.

It was talked about on the Liverpool thread of Skyscraper City about a year ago. It was asked whether the player tunnel could be moved in line with the centre circle, and other such improvements. The above reason was given, as technically only the seats where taken out and reffited to match the tier above it. Major structural changes would have been required, making complying with modern regs a must.

You couldn't rebuild WHL as it is again now.

Incredible...and to think Liverpool want to veto other clubs having the choice of having safe standing

It's an interesting one safe standing. I do think the push for it happening will sadly have to come from Liverpool. Their presence in the media is strong enough that any mention of Hillsborough and the debate has flipped from a logical argument to an emotionally charged one.

 

[beats1]

What I have read repeatedly is that the rakes of the various tiers are as steep as can be achieved, given modern regulations and the challenges of getting a decent view for 61k people. That was never going to be as steep as the existing stadium. But I think we'll find it's steeper than the Emirates and steeper than Wembley.

The geometry is such that the upper tiers have to be steeper to provide a view of the pitch for the people at the back, the lower tiers less so.

The same principle applies to the proximity of the crowd to the pitch. I have read several times that it will be the minimum distance that is consistent with current regulations.

The FIFA recommendations & requirements aren't really regulations but rather guidelines that were followed very closely initially by good architect firms that didnt have much experience in stadium building. Now they aren't followed closely by most new designs and even our new stadium ignores some of the guidelines like the minimum 10m gap between seats at the ends and 8.5m at the sides. We have gone 8m at the sides and one end but closer on the south end which is at 5m. We also cited that these standards by FIFA aren't really regulations but recommendations.

There is regulations from the department for culture, media & sports. Though most of these regulations relate to stadium safety concerning standing terracing at grounds. Though there is one bit that says the maximum angle of slope for new seated stadia is 34 degrees.

The bottom quarter and top quarter of our kop end isnt as steep as dortmunds kop end but the middle half is slightly more steeper and overall are very similar to each other.

However our south stand suffers from having a bowl design, roof that isn't tilting downwards and a glass backing. With dortmund, because it is a four stand end design(square end stand) as well as a roof tilting downwards, the eye is more drawn to the middle of the stand and it seems vast. In our stadium, the eye is drawn to the top of the stand and it doesnt feel as imposing as the corners aren't filled out and the glass backing as it lights up the stand whereas at dortmund the top rows are darker.

The rest of the stadium is more of a traditional four end/stand design despite the bowl exterior but the kop stand is more of a bowl.

http://www.safetyatsportsgrounds.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/green-guide.pdf

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/01/37/17/76/stadiumbook2010_buch.pdf

Just measured the rake of the stands from the cross section images as follows

South stand
Lower section: 21.5° (average)
Middle section: 30° (average)
Upper section: 32.6° (average)

North stand
Lower section: 17° (average)
Middle section: 27° (constant)
Upper section: 34.7° (constant)

East stand
Lower section: 16.2° (average)
Upper section: 34.4° (constant)

West stand
Lower section: 16.7° (average)
Upper section: 34.4° (constant)

Compared to modern steep stadiums its only the bottom tier that could do be improved but I think that may of been sacrificed to squeeze another tier but the bottom tier couldn't just 34 deg as the sightlines would potentially be poor and the height restrictions for the build. Of course that is assuming that we cant go higher like arsenal couldn't with the emirates and also we cant go lower due to the sliding pitch.

The stadium that is consider to have best interior layout is the allianz arena and this is the rake for its tiers as well as some other stadiums:
Allianz Arena:
1st Tier: 24°
2nd: 30°
3rd: 34°

Köln:
1st: 26°
2nd: 33,8° - 35,4°

Frankfurt:
1st: 22°
2nd: 32°

Here is also a comparison with the new Anfield stand

 

[tez1503]

I hadn't noticed this before but I like the homage to Han Solo at the new WHL.

Whoever thought of the frozen carbonite shrine, I salute you!

 

[KingKay]

I hadn't noticed this before but I like the homage to Han Solo at the new WHL.

Whoever thought of the frozen carbonite shrine, I salute you!


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Pretty sure that's Ledley being cryogenically defrosted the day after knee replacement technology has been propoerly mastered?

 

[thinktank]

New render and video ... WOW

https://twitter.com/SpursOfficial/status/816578901321351168

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Do we really need 4 screens? It's complete overkill. Wouldn't the two big ones at the back of the South Stand be enough? Especially as we want the fans in their to not behave like bellends and nudge their mate and say "ooh look we're on the telly!" And the North Stand screens are at the expense of some seats. I'd estimate about 500+. And we could increase the capacity to around 62k without them.

I was in the back of the South stand last night and had my view of the north stand screen blocked by the South stand screen.
I quite like the idea of being able to see one wherever you are.