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LeParisien

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Remember it also costs us money to have the game on e.g. paying staff and the like, so the 60 quid you pay for your ticket doesn't all go straight into the club's coffers
Yep - £60 / head (plus 1/9 in my calculations) is surely an underestimate per game. Is the extra (e.g. increased food, drink, corporate, club shop) enough to cover costs for everything ..? I don’t know. Not far...?
 

'O Zio

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Yep - £60 / head (plus 1/9 in my calculations) is surely an underestimate per game. Is the extra (e.g. increased food, drink, corporate, club shop) enough to cover costs for everything ..? I don’t know. Not far...?

I'm not sure on the exact figures mate but I just think you're being overly optimistic assuming that all 60 quid goes straight into our bank account, there are obviously lots of expenses involved in hosting an event for 60k+ people that will eat into that.

Also the other thing you're missing in your original calculations is that we have millions of pounds worth of other costs throughout the season i.e. player/staff wages, transfer fees etc. to pay so it's not like all the money we earn from the stadium can go into paying off the debt either.

Also the naming rights deal won't be the full amount up front it'll be spread over the length of the deal in installments
 

spursfan77

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Yeah did see plans that whole area down to station will be redeveloped. But no idea on time frame. Sure I saw on renders a cafe outside that accessible from outside stadium I think.

It’s meant to be after the stadium development is finished. It’s got nothing to do with us and is council led so if or when it gets built is anyone’s guess.
 

spursfan77

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When people talk about the cost. Something rarely mentioned is the small fortune we are gonna make off 570 high end flats. Plus 50 serviced apartments in the hotel that I reckon will be close to £1m a pop.

The development appraisals are available to view online. I think the link is in this thread actually so you can see what they perceive to get for them.
 

Lilbaz

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Apr 1, 2005
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Yep - £60 / head (plus 1/9 in my calculations) is surely an underestimate per game. Is the extra (e.g. increased food, drink, corporate, club shop) enough to cover costs for everything ..? I don’t know. Not far...?

Vat?
 

LeParisien

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I'm not sure on the exact figures mate but I just think you're being overly optimistic assuming that all 60 quid goes straight into our bank account, there are obviously lots of expenses involved in hosting an event for 60k+ people that will eat into that.

Also the other thing you're missing in your original calculations is that we have millions of pounds worth of other costs throughout the season i.e. player/staff wages, transfer fees etc. to pay so it's not like all the money we earn from the stadium can go into paying off the debt either.

Also the naming rights deal won't be the full amount up front it'll be spread over the length of the deal in installments
Did you read the post you quoted? If £60/ head is an underestimate then the additional revenue can be seen as paying off the additional costs of running the venue. I gave examples of the types of revenue streams not included in a match day ticket that might contribute to that.

I am aware there are other costs to the club but there are also other revenue streams.

Re: naming rights, yes but let’s suppose we got (obviously unrealistic) a deal which matched the cost of the stadium then we could pay off the stadium in instalments which matched the rights money. We won’t get that but the instalments can still go towards financing the cost of the project so that other sources of revenue can be spent on eg players wages.
 

'O Zio

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Did you read the post you quoted? If £60/ head is an underestimate then the additional revenue can be seen as paying off the additional costs of running the venue. I gave examples of the types of revenue streams not included in a match day ticket that might contribute to that.

I am aware there are other costs to the club but there are also other revenue streams.

Re: naming rights, yes but let’s suppose we got (obviously unrealistic) a deal which matched the cost of the stadium then we could pay off the stadium in instalments which matched the rights money. We won’t get that but the instalments can still go towards financing the cost of the project so that other sources of revenue can be spent on eg players wages.

Woaah no need to get defensive, I did read your post but I'm just confused by what you mean.

Yes there are other revenue factors than the tickets, I was just using that as an example, but the same thing applies to them as well. If you pay 5 quid for a pint, that isn't 5 quid that goes towards paying off the stadium because you have to take out costs of that as well. You asked what you were missing in your initial calculation and I was just pointing out that the way you phrased it suggested that every penny we earn (whether it be through tickets or other matchday stuff) goes straight towards paying off the stadium debt, but that obviously isn't the case. I was just answering your question

Are stadium tickets subject to VAT?

If so, massive hole in this calculations.

Yes, almost everything you buy includes VAT but you can claim that back if it's a business expense
 

Colonel_Klinck

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May 19, 2004
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The way this stadium dominates the skyline is amazing. From the North Circ it looks huge - 'Wembley huge' and from the top of the hill at Ally Pally it looks a monster. Certainly in a way that the old stadium never did.

I can imagine on nights when it is lit up, it will look fantastic. These nights though are going to have to be NFL games because for the football I'll be there and won't see it from afar!

I drive past it on the North circular several times a week. It really does look amazing. Can’t wait to see it finished and lit up for a evening kick off. Champs League nights there is something to really look forward too.
 

worcestersauce

"I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope
Jan 23, 2006
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I haven't been near the place since the Finale, I've often thought about going down but I've now got to the point where I don't want to go until it's finished so the first time I'll see it will be at the first game, Contrary bugger ain't I.
 

LeParisien

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Woaah no need to get defensive, I did read your post but I'm just confused by what you mean.

Yes there are other revenue factors than the tickets, I was just using that as an example, but the same thing applies to them as well. If you pay 5 quid for a pint, that isn't 5 quid that goes towards paying off the stadium because you have to take out costs of that as well. You asked what you were missing in your initial calculation and I was just pointing out that the way you phrased it suggested that every penny we earn (whether it be through tickets or other matchday stuff) goes straight towards paying off the stadium debt, but that obviously isn't the case. I was just answering your question



Yes, almost everything you buy includes VAT but you can claim that back if it's a business expense
I read my response back and it was unnecessarily aggressive. I apologise.

Thanks for info re: VAT.
 

coys200

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May 22, 2017
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I haven't been near the place since the Finale, I've often thought about going down but I've now got to the point where I don't want to go until it's finished so the first time I'll see it will be at the first game, Contrary bugger ain't I.

You should go mate especially on a nice day. It’s great to have a walk round at your leisure when it’s not busy.
 

Croftwoodspurs

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Woaah no need to get defensive, I did read your post but I'm just confused by what you mean.

Yes there are other revenue factors than the tickets, I was just using that as an example, but the same thing applies to them as well. If you pay 5 quid for a pint, that isn't 5 quid that goes towards paying off the stadium because you have to take out costs of that as well. You asked what you were missing in your initial calculation and I was just pointing out that the way you phrased it suggested that every penny we earn (whether it be through tickets or other matchday stuff) goes straight towards paying off the stadium debt, but that obviously isn't the case. I was just answering your question



Yes, almost everything you buy includes VAT but you can claim that back if it's a business expense

You can only claim VAT on purchases, as this sales the VAT would have to be paid to HMRC, so the £60 per ticket will be £50 per ticket towards the THFC.
 

SirHarryHotspur

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Aug 9, 2017
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Wooaah hang on a minute. You're completely misinterpreting what I said. When did I ever say they have no right to be in the south stand? In fact I actually said I think it's great that they've got WC seating there so they can be part of it too.

My issue is entirely with the way that the WC seating is arranged, not with the WC fans in any way. For example, rather than having it run all across the middle of the stand, they could've arranged the WC seating in pockets throughout the stand so that it doesn't effectively cut the so-called single-tier stand in half. That way there's equally as much WC seating in the stand so everyone can be part of it, but you don't take away from the "wall" effect.

Plus, like I say if you look at the seating chart there is very little WC seating in the E/W stands and most of it is pushed to the "cheaper" seats, which is clearly not because they're doing a favor to WC fans, it's because they want to charge more money for the E/W tickets and don't want WC fans who pay less to be cutting into their profit margins.

Please don't twist this into me somehow bashing people in wheelchairs, if you actually read what I said I've done nothing of the sort.
Accessibility
The stadium has been designed to be truly inclusive, placing accessible facilities throughout the ground, giving fans the opportunity to sit in all areas of the ground including the single-tier South Stand.
We want to ensure that all fans can enjoy the same exceptional fan experience with excellent amenities and other facilities. We shall also be the first club to offer flexible seating arrangements so that wheelchair users will be able to sit with their families.
The Club has presented to Level Playing Field the plans for our unrivalled accessibility for the new stadium and we are continuing to engage in detailed discussions with the Disabled Supporters Association and other local and national disabled fan groups to ensure we deliver the highest quality inclusive experience for all.

Wheelchair users do not pay less than others , they are charged the same, wheelchair bays from 201 to 213 are £995 , wheelchair bay in 501 is £2200 exactly the same as able 1882 members. Club are not trying to save money on wheelchair space because they pay the same , admittedly wheelchairs they take up more space but that is the same in any public/private building that makes provision for disabled access.
 

worcestersauce

"I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope
Jan 23, 2006
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Accessibility
The stadium has been designed to be truly inclusive, placing accessible facilities throughout the ground, giving fans the opportunity to sit in all areas of the ground including the single-tier South Stand.
We want to ensure that all fans can enjoy the same exceptional fan experience with excellent amenities and other facilities. We shall also be the first club to offer flexible seating arrangements so that wheelchair users will be able to sit with their families.
The Club has presented to Level Playing Field the plans for our unrivalled accessibility for the new stadium and we are continuing to engage in detailed discussions with the Disabled Supporters Association and other local and national disabled fan groups to ensure we deliver the highest quality inclusive experience for all.

Wheelchair users do not pay less than others , they are charged the same, wheelchair bays from 201 to 213 are £995 , wheelchair bay in 501 is £2200 exactly the same as able 1882 members. Club are not trying to save money on wheelchair space because they pay the same , admittedly wheelchairs they take up more space but that is the same in any public/private building that makes provision for disabled access.
Cheers once again Sir Harry, please pass on our thanks at the next board meeting.;)
 

mark87

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Trees being painted

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