TheWallYid
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Unfortunately exactly same as confirmed by the club today.
New Stadium Details And Discussions
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spursgirls
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Every standing position has to have a seat too, albeit a fold up thinner one.
Hengy1
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They aren’t thinner. Exactly same seat as throughout the stadium
Tucker
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That’s disappointing, I remember the safe standing people selling it as a system where you could have something like three standing spectators to every seated one or something along those lines.
spursgirls
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Really? I thought they folded back flatter to give more room?
Hengy1
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LexingtonSpurs
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I seat - for every patron, whether they sit or stand. (For safe standing, they will remove the seat option (by locking it upright), but then its one person per slot.)
spursgirls
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Both correct I think..........they are the same seats but they fold back flatter! Thanks @Hengy1 I hadn't seen that.
LexingtonSpurs
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And therein lies some of the problems...overcrowding is a bad thing.
mpickard2087
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I don't know why people would be surprised about it being 'one for one' in regards to safe standing. As I've said before, of course it will be, at least initially. Rightly or wrongly, it's a sensitive issue that the relevant authorities are being won round at a glacial pace..... They're not all of a sudden going to give the ok to massively increasing the capacities of stands and altering how many people are allowed in such a space. It will continue to be a process that takes baby steps.
I had a season ticket for St Pauli until last season in the standing area at the side of the pitch but it's traditional standing with barriers every few steps down. A couple of points: most people have found their regular spot 45 minutes before KO. If you don't get into the ground at least half an hour before the game it's nearly full and people will not let you squeeze in next to or past them. You're forced to loiter at the top of the gangway trying to avoid the stewards eye and maybe squeeze in at HT when people go for food/drink/piss. It's not like the 80s when it was every man for himself and getting barged around as latecomers pile in just before KO was normal.
People my age and older might be nostalgic about the atmosphere back then but I don't think most people now will put up with being packed in like sardines and all that involves. They want their spot and to be able to get in and out easily when they want to and not have their view blocked if they're shorter than 5'10". Safety issues come on top of that too, obviously. The proposed solution shown above is probably the best compromise available in the end.
People my age and older might be nostalgic about the atmosphere back then but I don't think most people now will put up with being packed in like sardines and all that involves. They want their spot and to be able to get in and out easily when they want to and not have their view blocked if they're shorter than 5'10". Safety issues come on top of that too, obviously. The proposed solution shown above is probably the best compromise available in the end.
longtimespur
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Isn't the government discussion on Safe Standing supposed to be today?
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fridgemagnet
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I'm still confused about this, if safe standing is approved or approved in part;
- Can the system above be applied to the rest of the stadium without a seat refit?
- Can the system above be applied to the rest of the stadium providing capacity doesn't increase?
- Having just spent many hundreds of millions of pounds on a sexy new stadium to increase capacity, what's to stop <insert club with low capacity older stadium> just putting in all safe standing and getting 80k people per match (i'm exaggerating but you get what i mean)
fridgemagnet
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TBH They shouldn't be trusted to open a tin of spam with the key that comes with it at the moment let alone issues like this. That's just my own onion though.
Hengy1
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If it becomes allowed it won’t stop anyone doing it but there will off course be stipulations. Ie we can’t do all the south stand due to the rake becomes to steep.
I’m sure we gone for the 1 for 1 option because we aren’t allowed the extra people traveling to the stadium
LexingtonSpurs
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Not everyone wants to stand. And, as noted, some areas will be too steep. So, it will have a limited availability.
I have not seen the map where safe standing will be implemented - but the club also has to be cognizant of the handicap seating across the south stand - won't want to have people standing in front of anyone in a wheelchair - unless that "level" is actually high enough for them to see over people standing in the row in front. I suspect that might be a possibility - because nobody wants to sit in the row directly behind a group that are standing...
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It could be applied to anywhere where the rake isn't too steep - probably just the lower tier. Whether the club would want to is another matter though - it would mean for a start having to re-locate season ticket holders who don't want to stand. Meanwhile the people wanting to stand probably aren't the ones willing to pay £1200+, so unless you forego revenue they'd have to go in the North Lower rather than the East or West - presumably next to the away fans as you wouldn't want them near the family section. The other thing is that we'd need the permission of the council - who are under a new administration (basically Corbyn Labour rather than Blair Labour) and don't appear overly friendly to us. We've also got a lot of promises made to them - for instance, that we'll make sure we have thousands of fans arriving early and staying after the game to avoid overloading the transport network. If we do something really stupid like charge £6 for a pint and fans all leave the ground at full-time, the council will be far from pleased and could turn down the permission or even more strictly enforce seating in the existing south-stand section.
Frankly the time to do it was now, but for some reason they only went for a 5,000 safe standing section, which was the first to sell out - real demand seems like it was closer to the 8k mark or so, and pretty much anyone could have told them 5k was too little. It seems as though they deliberately wanted to limit it, presumably because they've got no interest installing it in the North Stand.
