New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Saoirse]

No CL games but it's a League Cup slot. The schedule is such these days that there's generally no empty slots - hence why you'll never see a midweek in-season that isn't filled with a competition the top English clubs are in or an international break. It would have to be postponed indefinitely until there's a slot where e.g. us and City were both uninvolved in the League Cup, the Europa League (CL may be fine as it has a couple of gaps) or FA Cup replays - not ideal and hence a last resort for the FA/Premier League. And it seems City are (justifiably) unwilling to swap the fixture.

Sounds like from the Poch quotes the list of preferences is:

1. NWHL is ready
2. Convince Wembley to host the same weekend as the NFL
3. Find an alternative venue (e.g. Milton Keynes or the Olympic Stadium)
4. Postpone

Since 3. is perfectly possible the FA would be very much within their rights to refuse a postponement.

 

[coys200]

I'm sure it's been asked/answered before, but what are those structures reaching across the pitch? I thought it might be something to help lay the turf?

I think you’re referring to the grow lights for the pitch.

 

[FreddieYid]

is it Martial?
My dad works for construction company in London, did work at Wembley, reckons Mace will have to fork out millions as it was a fixed term contract and they will be liable, he also said McAlpine are much better at stadiums but were too expensive and for the price Mace said would have been a very tight deal and inconceivable there arent time penalties

In which case Levy probably snuck in at night and fucked it up... always looking to make a pound note the fella.

By the time he’s finished sabotaging the build, the entire stadium would have cost us less than Darren Bent.

 

[dagraham]

Feel sorry for Poch having to be the one apologising for the stadium delay and the transfer window all in the space of a couple of weeks.

 

[spursgirls]

My Curiosity with those pics is where are the 3k workers ? Looks deserted.

It's been like that every single time I've looked at the webcams.

 

[spursfan77]

Pochettino on the Oct 28 Man City fixture: "If it’s not possible to play in the new stadium, it’s about finding a way to play at Wembley because I think to play at another place - maybe three stadiums in one season- will be too much."

"Maybe we need to adapt. The day after the NFL game (on Oct 28) maybe the pitch is not in the best condition but we need to make the effort and try to play in the end because maybe to find another date will be difficult."

seems to focus far more on Wembley rather than NWHL but might just be how question was worded.

So effectively the club are teeing us up with the fact it’s not going to be ready for that game either.

 

[Saoirse]

So effectively the club are teeing us up with the fact it’s not going to be ready for that game either.

It does sound like the only reason it's TBA is a forlorn hope we'll be ready and the fact that it's going to be complicated if we aren't.

 

[Yid121]

Don't see why Levy / THFC didn't make the fact Mace were footing the bill abundantly clear for any delay. This would've surely stopped all the fuss surely. If anything, the silence is making me think the £3m per match at Wembley etc means we are losing money even with Mace's payments for delays?

 

[JCRD]

Im not construction geek, in fact i dont have a clue how they build these things.

I am sure there is method behind the madness but why the fuck is like little bits not done eg there is one eave on the west stand that hasn tbeen done and hasnt been done for a while, then there is one filling inbetween the eaves that hasnt been done ARGHHHHHHHHHHH

Im not OCD but just feels like theyre doing things that they feel like doing and leaving certain things till the end etc

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[kmk]

I'm sure it's been asked/answered before, but what are those structures reaching across the pitch? I thought it might be something to help lay the turf?

They are integrated grow lights from SGL (Stadium Grow Lighting) as explained by this video

 

[Shadydan]

So effectively the club are teeing us up with the fact it’s not going to be ready for that game either.

They're just covering their arses

 

[NWOZ]

Your point of view was certainly worth posting, particularly in the light of your experience and evident expertise. Unfortunately, having read your post twice, I don't understand what point it was that you were making. This is probably me being obtuse, but I would appreciate it if you would clarify.

Thanks.

Sorry, my post was deliberately convoluted as a professional curtesy and judging from an immediate response. thankfully it was accepted as such.

The point I was trying to make was that I have picked up lots of useful info here, some from posts that would appear trivial or wrong to others and some which were dismissed as they related to tasks which were not on the critical path.
I believe they were wrong to dismiss them and may have prevented people making further comments.

To explain:

First up, on a project schedule this complex, there will likely be more than one critical path but, scheduling aside, the cladding and flashings are very important and I doubt the stadium will pass inspection without them being completed.

Fire safety, when designed, will take into consideration both active (sprinklers, alarms, detectors, extinguishers etc) and passive (fire check doors, walls, floors. cladding etc)

The active stuff is being discussed frequently, but the cladding (passive) which is one of the things we can see and evaluate ourselves on the cameras are getting dismissed as not being relevant to completion or being ready to stage the first game.

I didn't come on here to lecture but to understand the importance of sealing the stadium walls and eaves you need to understand fires. As most people know, fire requires fuel. air (O2), and heat. Without all three no fire. Passive design will take advantage of this by using among other things. containment (heat), exclusion (oxygen), ventilation (smoke which equals unburned fuel), avoidance (safe egress) etc.
I'm not sure which measures are in place at the stadium, but more than likely the cladding plays a significant part in containment and exclusion - preventing deadly backdrafts.

Without the cladding and flashings, no safety certificate, no game, no test event.

I, just as anyone else on this board, could be wrong but to dismiss any element, unless you know all its functions, is definitely wrong. To continually dismiss any element after having some of its relevant functions pointed out is just plain stupid...…..unless of course you know or have been told better.

And for the record, I believe all club announcements regarding the stadium (not match related) have been very open and very honest and when considering timeframes and delays, you should also take into account the shocking winter weather which set back the roof and scorching summer weather which would have hindered catching up. All in all I think the project has gone remarkably well

Apologies for ranting, but I'm passionate about my club (I'm from Tottenham) and although I get to watch every game live. I would have loved to have been involved in the project in any capacity - even teaboy (where I started), but, instead, like you lot. I have to settle for cameras and this thread so I appreciate any post from anyone, however trivial to some.

 

[spud]

To explain: ..........

Thanks NWOZ. Got it now.

Your point about 'passive' measures was particularly interesting as it was something that - as somebody with zero knowledge on the subject - I wouldn't have considered.

(You didn't have to post it twice though )

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Im not construction geek, in fact i dont have a clue how they build these things.

I am sure there is method behind the madness but why the fuck is like little bits not done eg there is one eave on the west stand that hasn tbeen done and hasnt been done for a while, then there is one filling inbetween the eaves that hasnt been done ARGHHHHHHHHHHH

Im not OCD but just feels like theyre doing things that they feel like doing and leaving certain things till the end etc

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Entirely agree, if you go on Skyscrapercity and ask the simple question , why haven't they finished the glass roof, why are the eaves done in gaps, why haven't they done any cladding on the east stand for ages, why have no seats been installed in the press box, why haven't they put any seats in the directors box, why haven't the middle tier seats of the east stand been touched in ages, you get told these are all unimportant parts of the build and can be easily rectified in days, my guess is that they are months behind schedule. ( left out all the question marks ? there are far too many questions)

 

[nailsy]

It's there any reason why we can't play the game on Friday night rather than Saturday or Sunday? Wembley seems to be free that night.

Edit - scrap that one, it looks like we've both got champions league matches that week.

 

[Lighty64]

poch said won’t be 3rd venue. Likely date is the Monday 29th.

it would mean getting permission to play the 4th round of the Caraboa Cup later which isn't easy with international breaks and CL fixtures, and the next round. we might be okay playing a weakened squad 2 days later, but City might not want too

 

[JCRD]

Entirely agree, if you go on Skyscrapercity and ask the simple question , why haven't they finished the glass roof, why are the eaves done in gaps, why haven't they done any cladding on the east stand for ages, why have no seats been installed in the press box, why haven't they put any seats in the directors box, why haven't the middle tier seats of the east stand been touched in ages, you get told these are all unimportant parts of the build and can be easily rectified in days, my guess is that they are months behind schedule. ( left out all the question marks ? there are far too many questions)

Yep that just makes me think that theyre in such a rush that theyre just doing bits and pieces everywhere to make it look like we are progressing but its having the opposite effect.

The veil thing, whilst I acknowledge isnt on this damn critical path, has just been a painstaking process.

I will be royally pissed off if i die before this stadium is complete

 

[Lighty64]

There are a few doing the rounds SB, the one you mention is that scruffy ginger **** who's a Chav, I think.
That can't be put on here because of the language, obviously, but I'm sure he's one of the pricks who was dismissed for doing another vid about the stadium.

it might be pricks like him that made sure things where fitted faulty too. I'm sure there might be plenty working on the site that just not made the effort required to make it ready even by the Liverpool game. it's a shame Archway caused so much hassle, and also I really wished we had just gone for a 2nd season at Wembley a decision in my heart i'd not of wanted, but for the club.

 

[wrd]

it might be pricks like him that made sure things where fitted faulty too. I'm sure there might be plenty working on the site that just not made the effort required to make it ready even by the Liverpool game. it's a shame Archway cause so much hassle and also I really wished we had just gone for a 2nd season at Wembley a decision in my heart i'd not of wanted, but for the club

If that's the case what the fuck is the management (of the company who hired them not spurs) doing, ridiculous.

 

[spursfan77]

it might be pricks like him that made sure things where fitted faulty too. I'm sure there might be plenty working on the site that just not made the effort required to make it ready even by the Liverpool game. it's a shame Archway cause so much hassle and also I really wished we had just gone for a 2nd season at Wembley a decision in my heart i'd not of wanted, but for the club

It’s a good point. There’s such a panic to get it done and they are throwing lots of people at it but who’s to say they are good or even competent at their jobs. I can’t imagine they’ll be great if they are being paid to work ridiculously long hours for not great pay.