New Stadium Details And Discussions

Discussion in 'The New Stadium' started by fozzi44, Nov 4, 2008.

  1. MattyP

    MattyP Advises to have a beer & sleep with prostitutes

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    Not a chance, with the Olympics and Crossrail projects, plus maintenance of existing lines and enhancement of the East London line, I'd say there is no chance of improvements on a continuing basis.

    They have increased the train service on match days and have increased the number of buses as well, that's it.

    Plus Levy made no reference to future transport improvements.

    On a side note, I was out with some people that work for the tube and buses on Sunday.

    They said it is, allegedly, guaranteed that engineering works will not take place when Ar5ena1 play at home. No such guarantee exists for Spurs, the policy instead is to put on additional buses. Shows how low down the priority list we currently are.
     
  2. SpurSince57

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    Increasing the number of buses is all very well, but when the roads are clogged by cars it doesn't help very much—especially as many bus lanes are open to all traffic after 1 p.m. on Saturdays and Sundays. The bus services have actually improved beyond all recognition in the last few years, but you'd never know it on a match day. Likewise, train services on the Enfield Line are reduced at weekends, or have been until recently, whilst on Sundays trains don't stop at Northumberland Park at all (or didn't)—that assumes there are any local trains at all, as the Lea Valley Line always seems to have engineering work going on on a Sunday.

    There's a major upgrade scheduled for the Gospel Oak-Barking line, which few people seem to know exists, and South Tottenham station is only a couple of hundred yards further from the ground than Seven Sisters.

    This week's Tottenham and Wood Green Advertiser devotes a lot of column inches to the new ground, with a couple of totally useless artist's impressions that make it look like your average leisure centre. One particularly dozy local councillor is urging the club to put pressure on BoJo to put pressure on TfL to build the VL extension to Northumberland Park, obviously never having visited Northumberland Park in the daytime; if he had, he'd see it was totally deserted (and it's not that busy during the rush hour). TfL simply aren't going to sink millions into a line that's only going to be heavily used for a few hours each year. It would make far more sense to improve the overground service, although that may be part of the scheme for the Olympics; outside the rush hour, local trains now go to Stratford rather than Liverpool Street. The fact is, the existing infrastructure isn't being utilised fully or efficiently.

    And, 40-50 years ago, when crowds of 50,000+ were a commonplace, everyone managed (and we didn't have the Victoria Line until 1968). Now, the demographic has almost certainly changed, with a far higher proportion of supporters coming in from further afield, which has contributed to increased car usage and traffic problems—let's face it, we're lazy sods and will always hop in the motor rather than face the comparative inconvenience of bus or train; when I was a kid we'd walk from Bowes Park, until my dad got a car, when we drove every time. Then, of course, it was only a ten-minute drive—today you could be as quick walking. If you're coming from a serious distance, outrageous train fares make it a lot cheaper to drive, particularly if two or three of you are chipping in for petrol.

    I'm not really sure what the solution is, but some SC members park out at Enfield or Cheshunt or Broxbourne and get the train the rest of the way, which makes a lot more sense than parking in one of the private car parks off the High Road and then spending an hour or more in gridlock.
     
  3. kremlyn

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    On a further note to those coming in from far afield - I'm one of them.

    I would really like to see a stadium that is the genesis for improving the area, because, at the moment, Tottenham is pit. I take on board the practical details like capacity, transport etc but I also think that it could bring serious improvements to the way people think and feel about their area by being something that they can take pride in living close to.

    I'm not an architect so don't have any real suggestions but I've always liked the Bull ring in Birmingham so the Allianz Arena gets my seal of approval. Let's face it, the emirates is hardly a dog either. At the moment the stadium is a bit hidden away but the new one will be impossible to hide - I just hope I'm left feeling glad about that.
     
  4. Max_Junglie

    Max_Junglie Well-Known Member

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    Am I right in thinking that existing ST holders will get first dibs on seats in the new place?
     
  5. polski sklep

    polski sklep I severely dislike Spurs fans

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    Monorail! Monorail! Monorail!
     
  6. General Levy

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  7. worcestersauce

    worcestersauce "I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope

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    Good Idea Polski or maybe river boat!
     
  8. MattyP

    MattyP Advises to have a beer & sleep with prostitutes

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    Nah, there should be some tuk tuk's to transfer people from seven sisters to white hart lane.
     
  9. chivers!

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    There could be road closures on matchdays allowing shuttle buses between the ground and Northumberland Pk, and onto Tottenham Hale.
     
  10. SpurSince57

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    People can't walk from Nortumberland Park now?
     
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    mil1lion Bad Banter

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    Is there a chance the track could bend?

    Not on your life my Hindu friend!
     
  12. mkkid

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    Shut the high road for an hour after match days and have buses waiting to take people to Seven sisters.
     
  13. mackay59

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    Wrong .... I was there as well. The ground was often packed and that is what we have to cater for.

    People queued overnight in freezing cold for tickets for some games back then such was the demand. I was there when we had crowds of 65000, 62000. People were locked out of games, turned away.

    As well, Manure never got the crowds they get today back then. Even their ground record gate (69000) was lower than ours until recent years when their success meant they had to expand OT to 75000.

    There were buldings all around the Spurs ground in 1960/61 except for the Rubgy grounds behind the East Stand.

    People parked in commercial premises for which they paid for.

    Average crowd was in the 50000s for league games but to get that average there were many times when the crowd was over 60000 and Cup games and Europe games were packed out...well over over 60000.

    You could not get a season ticket at Tottenham in those days (all gone) but you could at the Library and what is their capacity now? Answer over 60000.

    We need a minmum 61000 with a design to allow for expansion to 75000 for when we take the place of Manure and are the top club in Britain again.
     
  14. General Levy

    General Levy Banned

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    I love reading posts from the oldies.
     
  15. mackay59

    mackay59 Banned

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    One thing to remember is 40 to 50 years ago or so much of the crowd stood to watch the game and to get a good spot or your favourite spot you had to be in the ground around 2 to 3 hours before kick off and stay in that spot the whole time or lose it !

    That meant that people arriving at the ground were staggered over 2 or more hours. However, most all left the ground at the same time.

    WE did not have lounges and bars to stay behind after in nor relax in pre game.
     
  16. mackay59

    mackay59 Banned

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    Yes.......fans queued all night for tickets on a weekend a couple of weeks before games.

    Glasgow Ranger fans came down (some hitch hiked) to queue for tickets and then came back again for the game a couple of weeks later.

    On one overnight queueing for tickets occasion (Cup games and European games mainly) people tore down picket fences in Paxton Road and lit fires with them to keep warm !
     
  17. SpurSince57

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    No, it wasn't, and you didn't need a season either, unless you wanted one of the few seats available, and you certainly didn't have to queue up all night (are you serious?). You just made sure you got to the ground early for Derbies and crunch games against the likes of Wolves and Wednesday. We had nowhere near capacity for most home games in 60-61, other than those. This isn't a matter of conjecture, it's a matter of fact. The average crowd was about 54,000. That fell off rapidly in subsequent seasons.

    You could (assuming you actually had a car, which comparatively few did) park somewhere on the estate off White Hart Lane and slip the kids who offered to keep an eye on it sixpence (or a shilling if you were feeling especially generous). If you paid any more you had more money than sense.
     
  18. mackay59

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    I queued all night on more than one occasion....not for league games........as I said it was for Cup and European games....I was there ! I did it !

    On those occasions over 60000 attended.

    I was there when we had 65000 for a Cup replay. I was there when we had 62000.

    A cup semi final played at WHL in the late fifties had 65000.

    The place we parked was in a commercial premises which was opened up for parking every home game. Thousands came in cars.

    There was a big waiting list for season tickets (seats) at Spurs but you could get them easy at the Library.

    The capacity back then was kept to around 68000.

    The average of around 54000 for league games was because many games were over 60000. 54000 average was fantastic then and much better than that at Liverpool (second division), Manure and Arsenal.

    Earlier still (early 50s) I was one of the kids who got sixpence for 'looking after' cars parked (and packed) in the streets.

    I know we also got a 70000 gate in the early 50s.

    A new stadium has to be built with 80 years or more in mind and when you can see (fact) that we had bigger gates than the Filth and Manure 40/50 years ago then OT size stadium has to be the vision.

    61000 with the abilty to expand is what is needed. Also, maximum gates are the ones to judge by not averages.

    As well
    Cliff Jones: 'Bill, I want £100.00 a week. They think I'm the best left-winger in the world.'

    Bill Nicholson: 'Do they? I don't. Now fuck off.'

    That is not the Bill Nicholson I knew quite well nor the Cliff Jones I knew.

    Another poster quotes Bill Nick saying something about slapping his d**k on a fanny or something.

    That is definitely not the Bill Nick I knew. Bill had standards way above that and I am disappointed for Bill to see those kind of remarks. He was also quite reserved.

    I am speaking when Spurs owned houses near the ground and a number of the players lived in them close to me and my family. My parents went parties at the players houses.​
     
  19. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Just call me Baz

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    Please remember these gates of 60k+ were before sky and Setanta, we will struggle to fill a 60k stadium week in week out, especialy with the price of tickets and the financial problems. But I think we can do it, 6-10k to coorporate 5k to away fans that leaves around 45k for normal Spurs supporters. For midweek and CC games let kids go for free if were not selling out.
     
  20. mackay59

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    look - its simple - a stadium has to be built with 80 years in mind - in our successful period 40 to 50 years ago (which can come our way again one day) we had bigger gates then than any other club
     

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