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SirHarryHotspur

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There's clearly a lot of people leaving early at Wembley because it's such a nightmare getting out of and away from the stadium, especially with it being at the opposite end of London from where we normally have to get to. Real fans do have lives outside of football and can't always justify potentially losing an hour to stay for the final five minutes. And none of it has any relevance as to whether splitting the South Stand in half is a particularly bright idea or not. Especially when you could obviously put wheelchair spaces in the stand without doing that - at least have them staggered through the middles, or at the sides, front or back of the stand.

How is it a nightmare, you walk to one of the stations and queue up and wait for a train, anyone who goes by car is needs looking at, park somewhere else and go in by train.
Wheelchair positions cannot be staggered throughout the south stand , they need lifts to get them up to their positions, which means redesigning the whole stand for anywhere above row 30.
Also fans of today wouldn't last five minutes back in the sixties with crowds of 60000 at WHL, to get a decent position you needed to get in about 45 minutes before the game, getting out at half time you didn't bother and getting out early at the end also a problem.
Why leave a football match early , you don't leave a cinema before the end of a film or leave a play early at the theatre.
My memory of all these ardent Tottenham fans is a few years ago, 4-2 down at the Emirates with a few minutes to go and the away section is half empty, then we score two in the final minutes and snatch a 4-4 , unfortunately most of our fans had gone perhaps their lives outside football was more important , why bother going in the first place.
 

Lilbaz

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Looking at the pictures i can't see much of a gap. Although admittedly the pictures are not a birds eye view. Anyway that "gap" will be full of spurs fans. Only difference being they brought their own seats. Really doubt anyone will notice or care when the stadium is packed. Apart from those looking for it.
 

Saoirse

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How is it a nightmare, you walk to one of the stations and queue up and wait for a train, anyone who goes by car is needs looking at, park somewhere else and go in by train.
Wheelchair positions cannot be staggered throughout the south stand , they need lifts to get them up to their positions, which means redesigning the whole stand for anywhere above row 30.
Also fans of today wouldn't last five minutes back in the sixties with crowds of 60000 at WHL, to get a decent position you needed to get in about 45 minutes before the game, getting out at half time you didn't bother and getting out early at the end also a problem.
Why leave a football match early , you don't leave a cinema before the end of a film or leave a play early at the theatre.
My memory of all these ardent Tottenham fans is a few years ago, 4-2 down at the Emirates with a few minutes to go and the away section is half empty, then we score two in the final minutes and snatch a 4-4 , unfortunately most of our fans had gone perhaps their lives outside football was more important , why bother going in the first place.
The fact the queue can take ages, can be very very uncomfortable for some disabled people in particular, and can mean fans who live outside London in particular miss connections that would be very easy journeys from WHL. This isn't the 1960s where a good percentage of our fans lived somewhere in the vicinity of Tottenham and could walk or get the bus. Many of our supporters don't live in London but out to the north or east and there's a much greater reliance on the trains. It's not like we saw the Lane constantly empty nearer the end of games - it's clearly an issue with the move across the city to a temporary stadium and for me that's understandable.

And anyway, why do you come across as being so bitter about the "ardent" Tottenham fans? We're all just supporters as far as I'm concerned. I don't think anyone's a better or worse supporter depending on whether they'd rather stand or sit, what part of the ground they want to be in or whatever.
 

'O Zio

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The south stand is perfectly designed so that wheelchair fans can see over the heads of fans in the so called safe standing area with them standing up even though at the moment the lower rows should sit down according to current law. The rows behind the wheelchairs are also designed so that they can see over the heads of any carers with the wheelchair fans if they happen to e standing so that the upper rows of the south stand can remain seated which is their right. To start placing wheelchair positions elsewhere in the south stand is not feasible it would interfere with sight lines also it would not be possible with the current design of the open atrium effect. Wheelchair users need lifts to get them into position , the south stand only has lifts to level 2 , approx. row 30 , to put them any where else in the south stand would mean completely redesigning the whole structure. As I said wheelchair fans have every right to be in amongst the home end if they wish and to start saying they should be put in the east or west stands is frankly discrimination. The south stand looks pretty intimidating as it is , personally I am not disabled and will be nowhere near the south stand .

Obviously I wasn't talking about suddenly redesigning it now, that's quite obviously not possible due to all the reasons mentioned. It is what it is now and there's nothing that can be done about it without basically rebuilding the stand. What I'm saying is in the initial design they should've done it differently. They could've placed the wheelchair seating in pockets all around the stand and still had it so that people wouldn't be stood up in front of them. That has nothing to do with whether it's a row all across or smaller pockets dotted around.

And for the second time, please stop twisting my words to make out like I'm discriminating against anyone. As I've now explained twice to you directly and once in my initial post I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH DISABLED FANS BEING IN THE SOUTH STAND for fuck sake. I even said in my initial post that I think it's great that there is disabled access to it so that everyone can be a part of it. Not once have I ever said anything to suggest that I don't want disabled fans there. My issue is the design of the stadium so that the single tier we were promised is effectively now not a single tier, it's two tiers. Whether it's a row of corporate boxes splitting the stand or a massive long row of disabled seats it still has the same effect.

If you're really going to just sit there playing silly bollocks and repeating over and over that I'm discriminating just because I've mentioned the word "wheelchair" even though I've not said anything even slightly derogatory or even for a second suggested that wheelchair fans aren't welcome then there's very little point in having a conversation to be perfectly honest.

How is it a nightmare, you walk to one of the stations and queue up and wait for a train, anyone who goes by car is needs looking at, park somewhere else and go in by train.
Wheelchair positions cannot be staggered throughout the south stand , they need lifts to get them up to their positions, which means redesigning the whole stand for anywhere above row 30.
Also fans of today wouldn't last five minutes back in the sixties with crowds of 60000 at WHL, to get a decent position you needed to get in about 45 minutes before the game, getting out at half time you didn't bother and getting out early at the end also a problem.
Why leave a football match early , you don't leave a cinema before the end of a film or leave a play early at the theatre.
My memory of all these ardent Tottenham fans is a few years ago, 4-2 down at the Emirates with a few minutes to go and the away section is half empty, then we score two in the final minutes and snatch a 4-4 , unfortunately most of our fans had gone perhaps their lives outside football was more important , why bother going in the first place.

What on earth this all has to do with whether fans leave early or not is beyond me. I'm talking about the configuration of the seating plan, it has bugger all to do with whether or not disabled people are "true fans" or not so I'm really not sure why you're trying to turn the conversation that way. You're the one who brought up what is quite honestly a completely irrelevant point and now you're arguing the toss over it like it's some sort of dick measuring contest as to who can remain in the stadium the longest after a game. How is all this even the slightest bit relevant?
 

LeSoupeKitchen

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There's clearly a lot of people leaving early at Wembley because it's such a nightmare getting out of and away from the stadium, especially with it being at the opposite end of London from where we normally have to get to. Real fans do have lives outside of football and can't always justify potentially losing an hour to stay for the final five minutes. And none of it has any relevance as to whether splitting the South Stand in half is a particularly bright idea or not. Especially when you could obviously put wheelchair spaces in the stand without doing that - at least have them staggered through the middles, or at the sides, front or back of the stand.

I saw one poor guy on Saturday who must have a hell of a journey home. He had to leave after 25mins.
 

coys200

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I understand the initial point and thought much the same myself. However to say it won’t look like a single tier is just nonesense ,it obviously is a single tier. Secondly as said that wall will be painted a dark blue I’d imagine to match the seats. Once painted with a row of wheelchairs in front and carers, you will barely notice it. Also think it looks much more noticeable on the mock up than does in real life judging by this photo.
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coys200

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West stand looks amazing in flesh today. Absolutely huge.sorry can’t post pics says file to large?
 

worcestersauce

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Looking at the pictures i can't see much of a gap. Although admittedly the pictures are not a birds eye view. Anyway that "gap" will be full of spurs fans. Only difference being they brought their own seats. Really doubt anyone will notice or care when the stadium is packed. Apart from those looking for it.
Perhaps they can bring in klaxon horns fixed to their chairs, can you do that any wheelchair fans reading, nobody would have the heart to stop you :)
 
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