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jimmy-jojo

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Yes, but he knew fuck-all. I don't even know who he is. He knew fuck-all.

Levy didn't know, because he couldn't know: he has only his professional consultants' word to rely upon. Mace didn't know, because it's industry culture to promote unrealistic optimism to the client! They're the ones who will take the hit for this.

It sounds from the nature of the announcements that it isn't general lateness - there's been a specific, critical-path issue that needs to be signed off before the stadium can be used and has either failed its tests or not been constructed correctly.

This is development. It's how it goes. You don't know until you get to this point.

Presumably all guesswork, then?

Do we really sign multi-million dollar deals based on wildly incorrect guesses?

The truth is that the project timelines for readiness were too ambitious.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Last year I renovated my house, took a month longer than intended and at the time decided against moving back in until everything had been completed - im a bit OCD like that. I wanted things to be as perfect as possible.

I suspect Levy is the same and doesnt want an incomplete stadium which the worlds cameras will be placed on, Whilst frusrating id rather move in when things are done up rather than resembling a building site regardless. If that means waiting a couple of months then so be it, the project is an accelerated one and was always ambitious but the fact that we are even at this stage is still a success.

Sorry but this isn't Levys house mate, it's Tottenham Hotspur's football ground and season he's dealing with. He needs to offer reduced prices for the games that need to be played at Wembley and to reimburse fans that have focused a lot of their money and attention on the date he said was guaranteed to be the opening game for the next stage of our era.

I'm a pro Levy person but he's really messed this summer up on so many levels. He simply needs to make amends now instead of asking Pochettino to tell the fans to please stay on side etc. Money where yur mouth is Levy, reimburse and reduce Wembley prices to show you aren't taking the supporters loyalty for granted. Time to give us a little back
 

Doctor Dinkey

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Jul 6, 2013
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Sorry but this isn't Levys house mate, it's Tottenham Hotspur's football ground and season he's dealing with. He needs to offer reduced prices for the games that need to be played at Wembley and to reimburse fans that have focused a lot of their money and attention on the date he said was guaranteed to be the opening game for the next stage of our era.

I'm a pro Levy person but he's really messed this summer up on so many levels. He simply needs to make amends now instead of asking Pochettino to tell the fans to please stay on side etc. Money where yur mouth is Levy, reimburse and reduce Wembley prices to show you aren't taking the supporters loyalty for granted. Time to give us a little back
Not a fecking chance of that, pal.
 

dimiSpur

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Aug 9, 2008
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Not true I’m afraid

1. Mace won’t be paying - contract set up differently
2. Been known and reported for a long time
Levy insisted on the roof in its current form, meaning there was no other way of building. No other contractor would take it on - Mace said yes we will do everything we can but but under xxxxxx conditions

Even now the build will be ‘late’ it is a monumental project that should be deemed a success
My only moan - the way the club have handled the PR - not good to the fans.
This doesn't quite add up. You're saying the Club has known for a while about this yet went ahead and planned various matches at the new stadium, including an NFL match? And without any financial contingency plans?

In any case, its no wonder we didn't sign any players. We're obviously drowning in this project.
 

Saoirse

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Aug 20, 2013
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Now see, I can understand this happening. It was always a very complex and tight project, this stuff happens.

The problem is that the club completely burned away the goodwill they had from fans with huge price rises, justified with "We'll have Champions League football at the best stadium in the country and a very competitive squad".

Failing to deliver that at such a crucial juncture - charging people for a very premium product and not being able to fulfill it - is a catastrophic failure.

And still they don't get it. That article should have mentioned all ST holders getting substantial rebates for the inconvienience caused, and people who'd already booked travel for the Liverpool game being compensated.

Treating the fanbase like cash cows who'll never turn their backs on the club is the biggest mistake ENIC have made with us by far.
 

Darrenh61

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Time levy employed some other senior people to do some work....the exec is very small and he does too much himself leading to many balls being dropped as we are seeing.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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What a disappointment. Not a great week for Mr Levy.

Daniel is heavily relying on the team and coach staff to do him a massive favour this year. If results on the pitch start to wade there will be a lot of people asking if Levy has the spine for it
 

davidmatzdorf

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Jun 7, 2004
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I think you will find it's the contractor who have let us down. Unfortunately Mace do not have a good track record. If Danny Boy has done his job properly the damages will be significant i.e. £3m per game probably.

Well, you're absolutely guessing as to the quantum. Mace is not a contractor. They're construction managers. But I agree that they will be the target for the additional costs arising from this. The problem is that damages for late completion are rarely, almost never assessed and billed as per the contract. It ends up being a battle between solicitors or, more often, a commercial settlement to make the dispute go away.
 

L-man

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Dec 31, 2008
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I believe it was dismissed out of hand the last time we tried it. It didn't go to any kind of vote.
Eh?

We'd already agreed to playing at Wembley for the Fulham game and the rest at our new stadium?
 

ChristianBaler

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Aug 13, 2010
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Sorry but can people actually check the twitter accounts stuff comes from before they post here.

This eja character has 600 followers no blue tick and all his tweets are basically anti ENIC. Unless someone is a well known source please don’t post unsubstantiated rumours here.

Looks like the source of the info was pretty spot on this time...
 

Giovanni

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I dont want no credit for games at wembley. Because if i get credit then the only games i can use them on are non nwhl games and that would mean wembley ffs!
 

Nebby

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Eh?

We'd already agreed to playing at Wembley for the Fulham game and the rest at our new stadium?

I'm talking about when we wanted to use Milton Keynes and Wembley in the same season. The idea was dismissed immediately. That's why we had to switch "permanently" to Wembley.
 
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