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Dougal

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As already reported Mace stipulated a no-liability clause for delays given the ridiculously tight schedule. No sensible company would on a multi year, £400m+ build.

We, the fans, pushed hard for 1 season at Wembley instead of 2. We knew this was a possibility. Anyone that did, has no right to bitch that the project runs over a few weeks.

The club would have saved a fortune if they had just agreed 2 sessions at Wembley, but that's not we, the fans and THST, pushed for.
The club (finances) will do very nicely from getting back to the Lane after only one year. Yes, fans have had their reasons but so do the financial folk. The club will make a fortune over the years from this stadium but let’s not get away from the point you made. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you? We are the hand that feeds the club.
 

mark87

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ardiles

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The club is right to ensure that all fire safety equipment have been fully installed and ready for use before allowing any games to be played in the new stadium.

Who knows what kind of retribution Archway has planned against the club. ?
 

punky

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Ah so its the fans fault? Oh please.

Lets just forget that at the time wembley was first announced, there was a good possibility that Chelsea would be playing Wembley for a few years starting this season.

I'm still waiting to see proof of your
The club (finances) will do very nicely from getting back to the Lane after only one year. Yes, fans have had their reasons but so do the financial folk. The club will make a fortune over the years from this stadium but let’s not get away from the point you made. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you? We are the hand that feeds the club.

The cost of all these delays will be rolled into the total build cost. Donna Cullen recently said they are paying 20% extra on overtime alone to make the Sept 15th deadline. That's an extra £80m on even the lowest quoted price of £400m. No one can say what are the extra costs are on top of that but i'd be very suprised it if didn't run into the tens of millions as well. So no, the club wouldn't do well out of it. Remember last season at Wembley was profitable for us. That would have been a major incentive for the club if they didn't care about what we demanded and just said 2 seasons at Wembley.

The hand that feeds is our desire for competitive sport. That's why we pay the money. Demand as much of it back as you want, but it's not going to help the club.
 
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As already reported Mace stipulated a no-liability clause for delays given the ridiculously tight schedule. No sensible company would on a multi year, £400m+ build.

We, the fans, pushed hard for 1 season at Wembley instead of 2. We knew this was a possibility. Anyone that did, has no right to bitch that the project runs over a few weeks.

The club would have saved a fortune if they had just agreed 2 sessions at Wembley, but that's not we, the fans and THST, pushed for.
Blaming any part of this on the fans is ridiculous. Levy and Mace are wholly responsible for this debacle.
 

yankspurs

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I'm still waiting to see proof of your


The cost of all these delays will be rolled into the total build cost. Donna Cullen recently said they are paying 20% extra on overtime alone to make the Sept 15th deadline. That's an extra £80m on even the lowest quoted price of £400m. No one can say what are the extra costs are on top of that but i'd be very suprised it if didn't run into the tens of millions as well. So no, the club wouldn't do well out of it. Remember last season at Wembley was profitable for us. That would have been a major incentive for the club if they didn't care about what we demanded and just said 2 seasons at Wembley.

The hand that feeds is our desire for competitive sport. That's why we pay the money. Demand as much of it back as you want, but it's not going to help the club.
Proof of my what, mate?
 

Dougal

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I'm still waiting to see proof of your


The cost of all these delays will be rolled into the total build cost. Donna Cullen recently said they are paying 20% extra on overtime alone to make the Sept 15th deadline. That's an extra £80m on even the lowest quoted price of £400m. No one can say what are the extra costs are on top of that but i'd be very suprised it if didn't run into the tens of millions as well. So no, the club wouldn't do well out of it. Remember last season at Wembley was profitable for us. That would have been a major incentive for the club if they didn't care about what we demanded and just said 2 seasons at Wembley.

The hand that feeds is our desire for competitive sport. That's why we pay the money. Demand as much of it back as you want, but it's not going to help the club.
I'm still waiting to see proof of your


The cost of all these delays will be rolled into the total build cost. Donna Cullen recently said they are paying 20% extra on overtime alone to make the Sept 15th deadline. That's an extra £80m on even the lowest quoted price of £400m. No one can say what are the extra costs are on top of that but i'd be very suprised it if didn't run into the tens of millions as well. So no, the club wouldn't do well out of it. Remember last season at Wembley was profitable for us. That would have been a major incentive for the club if they didn't care about what we demanded and just said 2 seasons at Wembley.

The hand that feeds is our desire for competitive sport. That's why we pay the money. Demand as much of it back as you want, but it's not going to help the club.
I'm not saying the club do well out of losing money. They do well out of having a stadium at the end of this that will take our money. The long view is the club will make money. And they will make it from us. Now in the short term this is a PR disaster. And in order to improve PR they need to bring us back into the fold with a gesture. That's how these things work. Any major business do it. Personally I think that's the two cup tickets that they used to give us anyway. Short term it's a dent but long term it's a relationship mended.
 

TTID2002

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This is bollox. The main cost of the NFL was the pitch. And the fact we have a retractable pitch gives us so many other options to generate revenue, even if the Jaguars go to Wembley. Boxing, concerts, and the biggest growth in entertainment; e-sports - there are many other possibilities which other grounds won’t be able to do as easily as we will.

Lol eSports require an expensive retractable pitch?
It isn't about recouping cash. It's not a current account or a piggy bank.

It's about positioning the club to be the home for an NFL franchise if/when one is based in London, with all the synergy of branding, merchandising and linked-up promotion that involves.

Like just about everything that ENIC (the English National Investment Company), does, It's about increasing the asset value of the club.

It's a long term investment and how long it takes to recover the additional cash-cost in revenue terms is a minor consideration.

Entirely understand that - what I’m saying is that with Khan buying Wembley I don’t think we’ll ever get that’s NFL money.
 

dazzle

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I understand that fans are pissed off about not being able to watch these games at NWHL. However, all this bitching and moaning about refunds is a bit rich after much of the same about the ticket price increases.

It backs-up Levy's explanation that the new stadium will be vastly improved in every way to the old stadium and therefore the ticket prices deserve to be increased. These fans that are moaning at both the ST increases and wanting a total refund for the games moved to Wembley are clearly agreeing (even if they don't realise) that the stadium at which our games will be played is a key element of the 'product' being paid-for.

Now I sympathise with those that have been priced-out because they can't afford the prices (me included by the way), but this double-standard moaning is nonsense.
 

spursfan77

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If the club weren't so greedy they could have told us all that we are building a magnificent stadium that will take 2 seasons to complete

They then could have made all tickets half price and sold the 2 seasons together. Pretty much guarantees a full Wembley for 2 seasons as well

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but now they have pissed us around once again and Wembley will be even more soulless than it normally is!

There was outrage on here last summer when it was suggested we could be away for 2 years. It would have gone down much worse than the people throwing their toys out of their pram for having to wait another couple of months.
 

yankspurs

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I understand that fans are pissed off about not being able to watch these games at NWHL. However, all this bitching and moaning about refunds is a bit rich after much of the same about the ticket price increases.

It backs-up Levy's explanation that the new stadium will be vastly improved in every way to the old stadium and therefore the ticket prices deserve to be increased. These fans that are moaning at both the ST increases and wanting a total refund for the games moved to Wembley are clearly agreeing (even if they don't realise) that the stadium at which our games will be played is a key element of the 'product' being paid-for.

Now I sympathise with those that have been priced-out because they can't afford the prices (me included by the way), but this double-standard moaning is nonsense.
I have no bones in this fight as i am a foreign fan thus am not able to go to matches but how, may i ask, is it a double standard to complain about the highest ticket prices in the league and then wanting a refund when the stadium is delayed and tickets at the replacement venue are cheaper?
 

THFCjosh

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I understand that fans are pissed off about not being able to watch these games at NWHL. However, all this bitching and moaning about refunds is a bit rich after much of the same about the ticket price increases.

It backs-up Levy's explanation that the new stadium will be vastly improved in every way to the old stadium and therefore the ticket prices deserve to be increased. These fans that are moaning at both the ST increases and wanting a total refund for the games moved to Wembley are clearly agreeing (even if they don't realise) that the stadium at which our games will be played is a key element of the 'product' being paid-for.

Now I sympathise with those that have been priced-out because they can't afford the prices (me included by the way), but this double-standard moaning is nonsense.
I think all this bitching and moaning is down to multiple things. Mostly down the lack of transparency the club have given in regards to the delay. Most, if not everyone would have understood if they told us weeks ago there was going to be a delay, apologised and offered us a refund on missed matches, but instead they told us with a month to go. People have paid for hotels, flights and whatever else to get down here for the match and will not be refunded. This is on top of a disappointing week in regards to incomings, in which we still haven't got a proper explanation.
 

Shadydan

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There was outrage on here last summer when it was suggested we could be away for 2 years. It would have gone down much worse than the people throwing their toys out of their pram for having to wait another couple of months.

If they confirmed that it would have been a 2 year project it would have put a lot of potential season ticket purchasers and sponsors off therefore risking a whole load of money coming back into the club, sneaky but from a business perspective I understand the strategy.

Thinking about it now the excitement has died down this was always going to be a 2 year project, I just think that the fans have been duped into believing that we would be playing in the stadium from the start of this season and therefore I can understand the frustration.
 

spursfan77

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If they confirmed that it would have been a 2 year project it would have put a lot of potential season ticket purchasers and sponsors off.

Thinking about it now the excitement has died down this was always going to be a 2 year project, I just think that the fans have been duped into believing that we would be playing in the stadium from the start of this season and therefore I can understand the frustration.

I can too but there seems to have been a massive over reaction from some (not necessarily on SC). Its. just on the back of the shit transfer window a lot of people are wanting to put the boot in.
 

Shadydan

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I can too but there seems to have been a massive over reaction from some (not necessarily on SC). Its. just on the back of the shit transfer window a lot of people are wanting to put the boot in.

Definitely but that's to be expected, the fans are pissed off because of the transfer window and now this, people are putting the boot in, some if it is warranted and some not but you can't exactly blame them for wanting to point the finger.

Garanteed if we would have bought a couple of players then the fans wouldn't be so quick to turn, this is how it goes.

Let's just hope that the team keeps winning cause if we start to lose form then there's gonna be a complete meltdown.
 
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