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Krafty

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A couple of contacts on the Mace side have said for the last 12 months that things were behind schedule, and one complained about Levy’s choice of contractors (but construction companies always complain about contractors/sub contractors - just come from one and they couldn’t manage their own people yet insisted on using them).

I just think we were a bit too ambitious time wise, and the danger now is that it drags on
 

coys200

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How many games were we able to play at 90k before we had to ask Brent council for permission was it 9 last season? If it’s gonna go into new year they will I presume have to go through that process again.
 

spud

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A couple of contacts on the Mace side have said for the last 12 months that things were behind schedule, and one complained about Levy’s choice of contractors ........
As project managers, isn't it Mace's job to choose, and to manage, the contractors?
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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A couple of contacts on the Mace side have said for the last 12 months that things were behind schedule, and one complained about Levy’s choice of contractors (but construction companies always complain about contractors/sub contractors - just come from one and they couldn’t manage their own people yet insisted on using them).

I just think we were a bit too ambitious time wise, and the danger now is that it drags on

When you look at how long the Emirates & Wembley took to build it was always an ambitious project. Levy rolled the dice on being away for one year instead of two, it hasn't worked out but there's still every chance we'll be in there before the end of the year it seems.

Time for the boys to focus on winning matches, when it happens it happens
 

Lilbaz

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Totally agree. If the club expected the main test event on 1 September and then were taken by surprise that the fire safety systems had failed, then (as a total non expert) can it really take 8 weeks to sort out? - unless the problem is so fundamental in which case they may as well say now that we are at Wembley until whatever date (start of 2019?).

Fire alarm systems are very complicated. You have numerous types of sensor and supression systems across the whole building. They will be linked to doors shutters etc...
After lifts they are probably the most likely thing in a building to have problems. Have a look at any fire panel and there will probably be a fault on it somewhere.
 

Westmorlandspur

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I think there is (definitely was) some silly UEFA rule saying that you can't schedule matches for a midweek where clubs from your country are playing in the UEFA competitions except as a last resort. Designed to both maximise the exposure of their competitions and to avoid penalising teams playing in them so that you don't see clubs deliberately not qualifying to avoid congestion etc. So we're not allowed to use those midweeks for the Premier League because of Burnley's participation in Europa League Qualifying.
we can but we get fined. It’s been done a couple of times by other clubs when there was no alternative
 

SirHarryHotspur

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You can't blame Man C if they refuse to swap as it looks like they don't want 4 away games on the trot later in the season, we didn't want to do it at the start of the season which was why Fulham tomorrow is at Wembley before all this emerged. All a bit of a mess going to be difficult to get out of it if the NWHL can't stage the game and Wembley can't do a 24hr turnaround from NFL , can't see PL allowing us to play at another ground they have granted us enough leeway already.
 

SandroClegane

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If some are so sure that it was nearly ready for September 15th , then why can they no longer estimate it will be ready for October 28th which is about another 6 weeks on ? it doesn't make sense unless there is a very serious problem . If all the visual stuff is easy to install and get ready then what can't be fixed within the next month ?

From the previous timings we will need a test event by 14th October basically just under 2 months away which Mace/Spurs cannot confirm, I just find that odd.
Because the reason they had to postpone was the safety issue, which, if it's electrical, could take a ton of time or it could be done sooner than expected. Cosmetically, the stadium should be ready on that date.
 

Krafty

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As project managers, isn't it Mace's job to choose, and to manage, the contractors?

Not always, they answer to the client and if the client wants to choose certain contractors for jobs then so be it. In some cases, it gives the project manager scope to shift blame/responsibility. “If we had been able to choose all the contractors...”

Word was Mace felt Levy was “picking his old mates” to do certain jobs. Again, could just be Mace being a bit pissy about not having total control of the people on site
 

Colston

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Not always, they answer to the client and if the client wants to choose certain contractors for jobs then so be it. In some cases, it gives the project manager scope to shift blame/responsibility. “If we had been able to choose all the contractors...”

Word was Mace felt Levy was “picking his old mates” to do certain jobs. Again, could just be Mace being a bit pissy about not having total control of the people on site
At the end of the day who chose the contractors means nothing though, Mace will have to own the fact that they were unable to deliver the project by the deadline as per their contractual obligation. For all I know there could be some sort of contingency for this situation in there so I'm not trying to make Mace look bad or anything, this happens all the time in construction, I'm just saying that they will need to accept responsibility for the delay as it is their job to prevent it.

Much like football it's all about results and they can say what they want but it'll only serve to save face with people who bother with listening to excuses.
 

SirHarryHotspur

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Because the reason they had to postpone was the safety issue, which, if it's electrical, could take a ton of time or it could be done sooner than expected. Cosmetically, the stadium should be ready on that date.
I know that is the story they given out but if you take the press box as an example from what you can see on the cameras , maybe wrong but there appears to be no fitting out at all. According to original specs there are 233 media seats in the stadium, doesn't specify how many in the press box but each seat according to PL regs must have a desktop, telephone point etc etc, if all that was on track to fitted and tested by 15th September then we must have the fastest working workforce in the world.

Press Seats
K.88. Each Club shall provide at each League Match played at its Stadium a minimum of 50 seats for the use of accredited representatives of the media and the League’s data providers. Such seats must be located: (a) near the media working room; and (b) in a position enabling a clear view of the whole pitch. Guidance Accreditation of representatives of the media will be undertaken by the League or its appointee (currently Football DataCo Limited) on behalf of the League and Clubs.
K.89. Each such seat shall have a desktop, electricity supply, a clear view of a television monitor, telephone point, and internet connectivity as set out in Rule K.46.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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You can't blame Man C if they refuse to swap as it looks like they don't want 4 away games on the trot later in the season, we didn't want to do it at the start of the season which was why Fulham tomorrow is at Wembley before all this emerged. All a bit of a mess going to be difficult to get out of it if the NWHL can't stage the game and Wembley can't do a 24hr turnaround from NFL , can't see PL allowing us to play at another ground they have granted us enough leeway already.

I really would be astonished if there is no leeway based on such a mitigating factor. It's a one off and due to the land acquired we've had to build on top of existing premises so it's clear delays are going to cause issues.

That being said, if the club have moved forward with the build without seeking assurances on what happens regarding delays etc then that's just a really idiotic thing to do, especially when you're a multi billion pound business. I put it down to sods luck that Wembley are double booked, Man City's game Vs us got moved to sky Sunday when it could have been picked for the Friday etc and that the builds deadline got pushed back all at the same time.

The sky fixtures for October & November were announced 3 days before our statement regarding the delay. Just another piece of luck that went against us I guess
 

Krafty

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At the end of the day who chose the contractors means nothing though, Mace will have to own the fact that they were unable to deliver the project by the deadline as per their contractual obligation. For all I know there could be some sort of contingency for this situation in there so I'm not trying to make Mace look bad or anything, this happens all the time in construction, I'm just saying that they will need to accept responsibility for the delay as it is their job to prevent it.

Much like football it's all about results and they can say what they want but it'll only serve to save face with people who bother with listening to excuses.

Indeed, and from what I read on here (haven’t chatted to the two contacts since the delay announcement) the delay isn’t really connected to much to who was in control of contractors.

Mace won’t take too much of a reputational hit, a bit like the big accountancy firms whenever one of them fails another just comes in, as long as they don’t go bust in the process it’s just the price of doing business.

Ultimately it’s Spurs (and Levy mainly) who get the reputational hit
 

Saoirse

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Liverpool Cat A pricing, no booking fees is obviously our apology :cautious:
17/18 Cat A pricing. Which to be fair is going to be substantially cheaper than 18/19 Cat A pricing given how much they charged for Season Tickets.

E.G. Immediately behind the goal ST prices are now more than a third higher than last year. They're going to have to do the same for members otherwise it'd be cheaper to just buy individual tickets rather than a season ticket. For Cat A that translates to a price of around £73 plus booking fees whereas for this it's "only" £54.
 
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