New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Saoirse]

Just seen something weird. I'm still on my way back from Milton Keynes - huge delays on the M1 hit our coach so I'm stuck nightbussing across London. About 15 minutes ago I was going past the new stadium and Joseph Ejiofor - leader of Haringey Council - in the new Spurs suit hopped on looking in a bit of a hurry - got off again down the road at the town hall. Tried to strike up a chat but he just shook his head.

No idea what he was doing there at 1am but the obvious thing we'd be talking to the council about is test events. My most optimistic guess is that Levy is wondering whether we could possibly play the next round at NWHL even if it has to be designated a "test event".

 

[Roynie]

Just seen something weird. I'm still on my way back from Milton Keynes - huge delays on the M1 hit our coach so I'm stuck nightbussing across London. About 15 minutes ago I was going past the new stadium and Joseph Ejiofor - leader of Haringey Council - in the new Spurs suit hopped on looking in a bit of a hurry - got off again down the road at the town hall. Tried to strike up a chat but he just shook his head.

No idea what he was doing there at 1am but the obvious thing we'd be talking to the council about is test events. My most optimistic guess is that Levy is wondering whether we could possibly play the next round at NWHL even if it has to be designated a "test event".

The problem is that you can't charge for entry to a test event, so the revenue loss would be very considerable.

EDIT You also can't go straight to maximum capacity for the first test event.

 

[Yid-ol]

Can still see the first test event being a youth or women's game and then building up from there.

 

[Roynie]

Can still see the first test event being a youth or women's game and then building up from there.

I wonder if, having failed the first test event, the club would be permitted to go straight to the second one. Somehow I doubt it!

 

[worcestersauce]

White vans in the bowl now, must be a delivery

 

[Yid-ol]

I wonder if, having failed the first test event, the club would be permitted to go straight to the second one. Somehow I doubt it!

They will need to re test the first one if it failed on that. Though I thought the first one was staff only and not sure if they tested the fire alarms there or separately?

If it was separately then they might get away with the first one passing and going to the second as long as they show the alarms passed.

 

[Roynie]

They will need to re test the first one if it failed on that. Though I thought the first one was staff only and not sure if they tested the fire alarms there or separately?

If it was separately then they might get away with the first one passing and going to the second as long as they show the alarms passed.[/QUOTE

My thoughts precisely!

 

[Jimmypearce7]

I wonder if, having failed the first test event, the club would be permitted to go straight to the second one. Somehow I doubt it!

I don't think you fail a test event but learn from it. Of course if the roof fell down or something that wouldn't be the case!

 

[Dougal]

White vans in the bowl now, must be a delivery

Not necessarily. White Vans can drive anywhere they want ‘cos they own the facking road!

 

[Dinghy]

Grass is on the pitch...

 

[Lilbaz]

They will need to re test the first one if it failed on that. Though I thought the first one was staff only and not sure if they tested the fire alarms there or separately?

If it was separately then they might get away with the first one passing and going to the second as long as they show the alarms passed.

The staff only wasn't a test event just an induction for staff. They need to know the building before a test event can take place.

 

[Lilbaz]

Grass is on the pitch...

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Shouldn't be more than a few weeks away then?

 

[Dougal]

Grass is on the pitch...

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That’s the pitch surround.

 

[Coq_Au_Ginge]

 

[Bobbins]

God that’s so much better with the seats uncovered and some proper navy blue in there (better than the seat colour at the Lane IMO), get some turf in the middle there and it’ll suddenly look ready to go.

 

[Hoopspur]

God that’s so much better with the seats uncovered and some proper navy blue in there (better than the seat colour at the Lane IMO), get some turf in the middle there and it’ll suddenly look ready to go.

Anyone know if the seats are padded like Milton Keynes last night?

 

[coysjod]

I'm seeing several references to "fixed price contracts". There is no such thing in the British construction industry. I know from experience: I was part of a group trying to innovate just such things, called "partnering contracts" or "open book contracts", in the 90s. It turned out to be impossible to enforce, no matter how much pre-works sharing and co-operation one did, because it always involved the contractor taking on the risk of cost increases. Whenever a dispute came to court, precedent and case-law repeatedly ruled any such measures out as unfair contract terms. If a contractor, in all good faith, entered into a partnering deal and then lost money, their "claims department" would always come up with loopholes to screw some extra money out of the contract. Even if they never went to court, there would be a commercial settlement, just to get the damned thing off everyone's agenda and move on to the next scheme.

So instead, my area, which was affordable housing, abandoned traditional contract procurement and went for design-and-build contracts instead. You can transfer the financial risk to the contractor if you also transfer the design responsibility to the contractor - that's legal. But it comes with a cost in terms of quality: the developer loses control of the detailed design. You cannot seriously think that Daniel Levy and THFC would do that.

I got out of project-managing building contracts because I wasn't willing to put up with the dilution of quality and cheapskate shit that every contractor on a D&B job would try to get away with. You can spot these D&B housing estates all over London: the overall design of the buildings is quite imaginative, because it was devised by the developer's architect to get planning consent, but they are let down with cheap bricks, badly detailed windows, shoddy roofing details and half-cooked landscaping introduced by the contractor to save money and increase profit.

Instead, THFC went for a third option, which is construction management. The developer enters into the individual subcontracts (roofing, electrics, etc.) directly and they appoint a "construction manager", rather than a contractor, to coordinate everything: in this case, that is Mace. Mace have overall responsibility, but they are not cash-flowing the build and paying the subcontractors. The design control remains with the developer, but they have to do a hell of a lot of detailed work letting all these individual contracts and they are still exposed to the financial consequences of mistakes, unless they can charge liquidated damages against the construction manager.

I don't believe the rumour that Mace have no liability for damages for late completion. The usual thing with construction management is that you balance the damages clause with positive financial incentives for exceeding targets: if certain operations finish early, the manager gets paid more.

But the main point here is that the notion of a "fixed price contract" in the British construction industry is a fiction.

I must say it’s a true blessing having people like you sharing your knowledge on here. Thank you!

 

[worcestersauce]

Grass is on the pitch...

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Don't want to be a killjoy but I think that green is the end of the tray off pitch synthetic area, it's been there all along,
If I'm wrong and I've missed something please correct me, please please correct me I'm getting desperate now.

 

[Coq_Au_Ginge]

shame about the shattered glass, but you can clearly see the "safe seating" bars in place

 

[Coq_Au_Ginge]

nice vid from today too