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Colonel_Klinck

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All this talk of NFL franchise at wembley, maybe at NWHL and yet no one has mentioned it's a sport in huge crisis.

Some Ex-players and commentators are saying in as little as 10 years it could dissapear from american life. Why? It destroys players brains. They get CTE from thousands of sub concussive blows to the head, and every single ex-player may be affected, including high school and college players! Decent PBS docu here if interested...

I believe this push to europe by the NFL is in direct response to the crisis at home and trying to keep a sinking ship afloat or cash in while they can. Anyway it's a bit short sighted to invest so heavily an dual purpose NFL ground as these facts haven't just recently come to light.

Will Smith did a movie on the pathologist who discovered the link. NFL fought hard to bury it. Maybe NFL will have to look at rule changes to lower the risks. Rugby is a contact sport but doesn't carry the same high risk because tackling isn't the ridiculous just throw yourself headfirst at someone and you have to hold on in the tackle. Shoulder charges are banned. Get rid of the crazy padding and helmets. Maybe I've just ruined the game but it will ruin itself if it keeps destroying players brains, a lot of them young men.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3322364/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_12
 

Always Offside

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Will Smith did a movie on the pathologist who discovered the link. NFL fought hard to bury it. Maybe NFL will have to look at rule changes to lower the risks. Rugby is a contact sport but doesn't carry the same high risk because tackling isn't the ridiculous just throw yourself headfirst at someone and you have to hold on in the tackle. Shoulder charges are banned. Get rid of the crazy padding and helmets. Maybe I've just ruined the game but it will ruin itself if it keeps destroying players brains, a lot of them young men.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3322364/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_12

We played "Gridiron" as a sport in PE in high school here in Australia. We never had any of that gear. We had an American kid who was the quarterback and only realised after he left & someone else was thrown into the role that he was pretty useless and only got the gig as he was a Yank. :)
 

worcestersauce

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Will Smith did a movie on the pathologist who discovered the link. NFL fought hard to bury it. Maybe NFL will have to look at rule changes to lower the risks. Rugby is a contact sport but doesn't carry the same high risk because tackling isn't the ridiculous just throw yourself headfirst at someone and you have to hold on in the tackle. Shoulder charges are banned. Get rid of the crazy padding and helmets. Maybe I've just ruined the game but it will ruin itself if it keeps destroying players brains, a lot of them young men.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3322364/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_12
A weight limit would reduce risks, I can't do the maths but I suspect the force created by two 200lb players hitting at ten miles an hour is considerably less than two 250lb players hitting at ten miles an hour and the brain of a 250lb is no better protected than the brain of a 200lb player. I guess that suggestion may not go down too well in the sport though.

By the way, they are putting the trays back together again (y)
 

coys200

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As things stand right now with just 2 NFL games we are making way more money off the 16 other events concerts boxing etc. The NFL deal Is much more beneficial financially in terms of growing our brand in the states and eventually a naming rights deal than what we make off the 2 games I would imagine.
 

joelstinton14

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I think as a 10 year pay day we're relatively safe from any NFL losing mind share. But i do agree, but this is just from the newspapers/magazine features I’ve read, it is a sport that is going to have to change to remain 'legal' if that makes sense. Just a matter of time.

I know this is merely speculation, but if it was the case that NFL became diluted, or lost mindshare from its own fans, i wouldn't be surprised if Rugby grows in popularity over there. I know at one point it was the fastest developing sport in the country at one point. A lot of the NFL guys absolutely love it (and vice versa) and i think it is quite well established at school/university level - it just doesn't have the outlet of having a national league with money behind it. It is something a lot of NFL fans can identify with for sure

Once the deal is over, i mean we got an astro turf pitch there to be used , and it can be used by anyone. Kilmarnock have their pitch being used 7 days a week by various groups. It'd be a great way to involve the community if Levy wanted too. At the very least if be easy to make a profit on it.
 

mil1lion

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Surely the biggest financial gain out of the Wembley Kahn deal would be him moving Fulham to Wembley and developing the land. I think the West Ham flat development is worth about £500m surely Fulham would be worth £2-3bn on property prices. That has to be his incentive, I don’t see how moving the Jaguars to London is of any great financial benefit to him. Wouldn’t be surprised if he renamed them as well to some stupid Fulham/Wembley hybrid like MK dons. If I was a Fulham fan I’d be extremely worried.
Yes because Fulham need a 90k stadium :LOL:
All this talk of NFL franchise at wembley, maybe at NWHL and yet no one has mentioned it's a sport in huge crisis.

Some Ex-players and commentators are saying in as little as 10 years it could dissapear from american life. Why? It destroys players brains. They get CTE from thousands of sub concussive blows to the head, and every single ex-player may be affected, including high school and college players! Decent PBS docu here if interested...

I believe this push to europe by the NFL is in direct response to the crisis at home and trying to keep a sinking ship afloat or cash in while they can. Anyway it's a bit short sighted to invest so heavily an dual purpose NFL ground as these facts haven't just recently come to light.
I doubt the country that allows people to own a gun is going to shut down the NFL due to concussion
Murica
 

Saoirse

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But if Kahn wants to move jaguars he’d have to get permission from Brent anyway. As the NFL games would exceed the quota. And tbh he’d probably be fine with 50k for Fulham. Not sure which parts of the cottage are listed. I’d presume the old stand that faces the road. Im sure some clever architect could incorporate that into a build. Wembley only turned a profit of £5m last season. A £600m purchase just to move a NFL team makes no sense when he’s currently renting a stadium for peanuts. Also was surprised to see Wembley is actually close to Fulham than spurs. It’s only 9 miles from Fulham. Let’s see how it pans out. But if you take a step back and just think the owner of a PL team is buying a stadium for £600m just 9 miles from where his team plays in an ancient stadium it makes you wonder.

He probably wouldn't actually. The NFL has a much shorter season - they'd only have 8 home matches, up to perhaps 10 with playoffs. And these would replace existing matches there e.g. England games in the Autumn and the 2 NFL games already at Wembley each year so they could do it without any increase in the number of overall events. Meanwhile Fulham would play at a minimum 19 home matches, and could play up to 35. Even if you limited it to 50k Brent would likely intervene given this would be permanent rather than a short-term move.

If this was as easy as you suggest, it would have happened ages ago. You wouldn't need Wembley - somebody would've brought Fulham for not very much, moved them literally anywhere (Kingsmeadow? Loftus Road?), turned the Cottage into housing and pocketed a couple of billion in profit. Thankfully the regulations are strong enough to make that very difficult or impossible.
 

Led's Zeppelin

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The only football stadium that could accommodate a baseball game is the London Stadium. Indeed, there are plans to play two Yankees vs. Red Sox games there next summer.

I've never watched a whole baseball game in my life but having read Don DeLillo's Underworld I'd pay to go to a game, even in the hole called the London Stadium. Though I suppose NY would be better. Do they still play it there or have they all moved out?
 

Tiffers

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Surely the biggest financial gain out of the Wembley Kahn deal would be him moving Fulham to Wembley and developing the land. I think the West Ham flat development is worth about £500m surely Fulham would be worth £2-3bn on property prices. That has to be his incentive, I don’t see how moving the Jaguars to London is of any great financial benefit to him. Wouldn’t be surprised if he renamed them as well to some stupid Fulham/Wembley hybrid like MK dons. If I was a Fulham fan I’d be extremely worried.
i agree with this and have thought that was the main motivation all along. So, basically he will get wembley for nothing. Fulham will most probably never fill wembley but I suppose they might ground share it with Chelsea?
 

Tiffers

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He probably wouldn't actually. The NFL has a much shorter season - they'd only have 8 home matches, up to perhaps 10 with playoffs. And these would replace existing matches there e.g. England games in the Autumn and the 2 NFL games already at Wembley each year so they could do it without any increase in the number of overall events. Meanwhile Fulham would play at a minimum 19 home matches, and could play up to 35. Even if you limited it to 50k Brent would likely intervene given this would be permanent rather than a short-term move.

If this was as easy as you suggest, it would have happened ages ago. You wouldn't need Wembley - somebody would've brought Fulham for not very much, moved them literally anywhere (Kingsmeadow? Loftus Road?), turned the Cottage into housing and pocketed a couple of billion in profit. Thankfully the regulations are strong enough to make that very difficult or impossible.

The local council and local residents would like nothing better than have Fulham move to wembley or anywhere but Fulham.
 

worcestersauce

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The local council and local residents would like nothing better than have Fulham move to wembley or anywhere but Fulham.
Then they'd only have one football team in Fulham:)

Personally I'd walk out of an NFL game to watch a game of Baseball.
 

mil1lion

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I thought the whole point of Khan taking on Wembley was to open it as more of multi event complex. He wants to do more boxing, concerts, NFL etc there. So it's hardly going to be possible to host Fulham games, England games and cup semis and finals with all that going on. I think in the grand scheme of things Fulham are not that high an investment for him. Besides he was quoted as saying "Today’s development has no effect on my plans to renovate Craven Cottage and, as such, has no impact on Craven Cottage continuing to be the permanent home of Fulham Football Club.” It sounds like his main aim is to move Wembley away from just an English football ground to a more global arena. It seems he's also considering getting a roof built but I'm not sure that will go ahead.

I'm sure it adds new competition for our new stadium considering we want to do a lot of those things too. Wembley has huge history and a bigger capacity, the THS is more modern though and technologically way more advanced. With them being opposite sides of London I'm sure both stadium will host many events. As far as the NFL goes we have a contract and if it doesn't work out and NFL gets kicked at the end of it, I guess we can still replace the astro turf with another surface suited to other events.
 

Bobbins

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Yes that's a good point. Europeans are probably more willing to accept some safer version of the sport. But I don't think there are any easy solutions - no one is going to accept touch football. Ironically, its probably all the body armour that has brought about the dangers, but I am no expert.

One thing I was also thinking of saying but didn't, is that I find it a bit questionable simply on ethical grounds by Levy to invest in a sport where a significant number of ex-players are left with an extremely bad quality of life after their short careers. Remember that touching feel good movie with Sandra Bullock based on a true story "the Blindside"? Michael Oher ended up being discharged on medical grounds after being in concussion protocol for 9 months

But then you might as well say the stadium will be also banned from hosting boxing matches or MMA events - it’s a multi-use venue designed to host as many different events as possible. Morality isn’t going to come into it and IMO nor should it, unless it’s some kind of banned sport - I don’t think dog fighting will be making an appearance at NWHL though...
 

Led's Zeppelin

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Like lots of these ideas, if a large multi-event stadium is a good idea, there’s going to be room for more than just one or two in London. And the success of one will not detract from the others, but add to it.

I very much doubt whether we’re anywhere near saturation point yet, or that NWHL is under any sort of threat from Khan’s ideas for Wembley.
 

Bobbins

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It’s Khan (Pakistani) not Kahn (German).

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