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davidmatzdorf

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As someone said, a lot of people are overthinking this. The chances of delaying the first match in the new stadium, once it has passed all of its necessary safety certificates and is ready to go, are precisely zero.

The rumour mill is already in overdrive because of the fire alarm delays. The negative rumours that would swirl around if we aren't using a functioning stadium would not be good publicity. It would be open-season of bullshit speculation.

At present, the club is shelling out major seven-figure sums in order to play an indeterminate number of matches at Wembley (and one at Stadium MK). Arguably, depending on the precise terms of the construction management contract with Mace, some or all of those consequential costs could be recharged as part of the liquidated damages for late completion - it depends on whether the damages clause includes actual consequential costs as incurred, or was set as a fixed sum per week at contract stage. Most contracts incorporate the latter arrangement, but not all. The key point: once the stadium has been signed off as ready to play football, any further costs to play matches at Wembley would be irrecoverable.

These are large sums. I think the club would be highly unlikely to blow the chance of recouping multi-millions of Wembley-rental and staffing and stewarding and re-ticketing costs, as well as the loss of rental income from scores of concessions at the THS, just because someone gets a bug in their ear about having the first match be against a top-6 rival and be televised live to a satellite/cable channel in the UK, when the matches are all televised over the rest of world anyway. It's a disproportionate, parochial concern, the sort of thing that only local, English fans would worry about, but no one else in 21c. globalised EPL football.

As soon as the stadium is available for use and we are free of contractual commitments to play matches elsewhere, the club will start playing all our home matches there. They'd be nuts to do otherwise.
 

davidmatzdorf

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True dat! I seem to recall someone saying that the regs. may have changed since the plans were drawn up. But there have been a few rumours about why the alarm system failed and I don't think we necessarily know the real reason!

Generally, if building regulations, including fire and escape regulations, change after a building has been signed off, you can build it to comply with the approved drawings. You don't have to change everything to comply with regulatory changes that post-date your approval.

That may not be so for post-Grenfell exterior cladding regulations (my housing association clients have surveyed and tested all their high rise residential blocks and are making urgent plans to re-clad any that do not comply), but I can't see how that's relevant to the new stadium.
 
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coys200

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Just watching Holland Vs Germany in the Amsterdam arena. It has a really great feel, I think it has a roof not sure if that’s what’s doing it or not. Anyway it’s 55k and the end stands are quite away from the pitch. Honestly just can’t imagine how immense this place will be with another 7k and park lane on top of pitch.
 

DiscoD1882

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I’m just gonna put my twopeneth in and say I don’t care who we play. As long as they aren’t complete muppets.

And I don’t care if it’s on telly. As I will be there!!!


Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!
 

Lighty64

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It may simply come down to Levy’s ego. After all he has apparently worked tirelessly on this for 3 years and more. Given the choice between Burnley and no TV and United and live TV. It’s obvious what is the bigger occasion. As said many times even if it was Burnley it may be ready but I doubt finished. United would mean another month and 3 games at Wembley, possibly £3m. Without knowing the implications of that £3m it’s quite hard to call imo. Although Kramer who is there today seems absolutely insistent that Burnley is absolutely not possible. Just be glad when I can finally sit In my seat.

didn't you say that you have seen somewhere that if we don't play at the NWHL by the end of 2018 we will have to stay at Wembley.

Also if they want to leave it till the Man U match, why send out membership packs near on 3 months earlier?

yes possibility they had to lay the pitch now, because of the up and coming weather making it harder to do, which in this day and age I doubt especially with this system they are using, but why even test putting the goalpost in so early.

the only way we get Man U as our 1st match is if, it definitely isn't ready to host a football match or the ruling about having to stay at Wembley isn't true.

also when you next communicate with Krammer ask him to stop spending so much effort taking picks and videos and do some bloody work:ROFLMAO: because unless he knows the exact ins and outs of how the safety certificate is goings, he won't know for sure. the club most probably knew there was never going to be a completed stadium ready for the Liverpool match, but with the safety certificate that match would of gone ahead.
 

nailsy

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Pardon my ignorance but if Burnley isn’t the first game at the new stadium, then why would United be seen as a potential first game? Why couldn’t Bournemouth or Wolves be the first game at the new home? Are those not scheduled as home games?

Bournemouth could be a problem as it's a boxing Day fixture so there could be issues with fewer trains, etc which we'd probably want to avoid for the first game.

Wolves would be good though.
 

Lighty64

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Personally my surprise is all to do with Sky and their love of razzmatazz, nothing to do with the club. I’m certain the club will open the stadium as soon as they’re allowed, regardless of tv or opponent.
But Sky are all about the build up, it’ll give them something to bang on about for an hour.
Obviously no one (at this stage) can confirm a date but I am surprised Sky have not chosen the Burnley game if there’s any chance of it being ‘the one’.
Especially as the alternatives are Southampton v Woolwich and Fulham v West Ham.

the Fulham v Spam game is on BT, the Southampton game is because Arse have to play on the Sunday because of a Thursday fixture and also to make sure Southampton get their amount of TV matches in.

if Sky where really bothered about the stadium they would of selected us for every match in case. as has been mentioned a team called Arsenal never had their stadium opening covered by Sky, so why would it matter for us? it's not as if we are a team that hadn't just finished 4th, and just played in a CL Final, and a season after the invincibles with a player that was talked about week in week out, that SKY loved.

the stadium is massive but no one other than a Spurs fan will stop what they are due to do just to see a game played in a new stadium, it will get plenty of media exposure especially once it is finally complete
 

Bulletspur

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Pardon my ignorance but if Burnley isn’t the first game at the new stadium, then why would United be seen as a potential first game? Why couldn’t Bournemouth or Wolves be the first game at the new home? Are those not scheduled as home games?
Exactly! People have a hardon about "televised first game" which in my opinion is nonsense. I would think a "soft" opening of the stadium to a lesser team would be more appropriate, then once we know that all systems work, then we can then accommodate a high profile game, camera's and all
 

piedpiper

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the Fulham v Spam game is on BT, the Southampton game is because Arse have to play on the Sunday because of a Thursday fixture and also to make sure Southampton get their amount of TV matches in.

if Sky where really bothered about the stadium they would of selected us for every match in case. as has been mentioned a team called Arsenal never had their stadium opening covered by Sky, so why would it matter for us? it's not as if we are a team that hadn't just finished 4th, and just played in a CL Final, and a season after the invincibles with a player that was talked about week in week out, that SKY loved.

the stadium is massive but no one other than a Spurs fan will stop what they are due to do just to see a game played in a new stadium, it will get plenty of media exposure especially once it is finally complete

I've seen comments that Arsenal's 1st game at the emirates wasn't televised.. Around the world it was though. The point i want to make though is leading up to their opening game there was major exposure. I remember sky sports building it up.

The exposure is even greater now, what with all the various sports channels, football programs aired daily like premier league world, fanzone shows etc. It won't be any different for our stadium either.
 

Lighty64

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I've seen comments that Arsenal's 1st game at the emirates wasn't televised.. Around the world it was though. The point i want to make though is leading up to their opening game there was major exposure. I remember sky sports building it up.

The exposure is even greater now, what with all the various sports channels, football programs aired daily like premier league world, fanzone shows etc. It won't be any different for our stadium either.

oh I agree it will have it's exposure, and I' sure Levy would love it to be fully complete by then, but there's no guarantee everything will be complete by the Man U game, but will be totally ready to put the crowd and have a match in it.

I have spent 8 years in this thread and still know nothing about building:ROFLMAO: but I really wished there had been a way of staying in the old stadium for 1 more season, and that had meant they could of completed a hell of a lot more work with less of a rush on the North, East and West stands meaning they would of only needed to do the South stand in that last 15 months (meaning this season was the Wembley year).
 

nailsy

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It doesn't really matter if the first game is televised (in the UK) or not, Sky
will still make a huge fuss about the ground in the first game they broadcast from the new WHL.
 
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SirHarryHotspur

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It doesn't really matter if the first game is televised (in the UK) or not, Sky
will still make a huge fuss about the ground in the first game they broadcast from the new WHL.

Why does it have to be Sky could be BT . No guarantee it will be done for the next batch of televised games. Time its taking to put panels and cladding around the outside next August might be the first televised game. !!
 
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nailsy

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Why does it have to be Sky could be BT . No guarantee it will be done for the next batch of televised games. Time its taking to put panels and cladding around the outside next August might be the first televised game. !!

It doesn't have to be Sky, it will be the same for them and BT.
 

coys200

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Interesting to see how the Wembley pitch holds up in the deluge and a bunch of Americans charging around on it for three hours plus. Really need to hope we don’t get this weather in 2 weeks time.
 

hellava_tough

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Interesting to see how the Wembley pitch holds up in the deluge and a bunch of Americans charging around on it for three hours plus. Really need to hope we don’t get this weather in 2 weeks time.

If it's any consolation, the worse Wembley does, the less that stadium becomes a rival to our NFL set-up
 

danielneeds

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Really doesn't matter if the first game's on TV in the UK. In some ways it's better if it's not. Can have it just for Spurs fans in the stadium, and the club gets to test everything out, and then when United come to town the first time the cameras roll up, it will be an event in itself.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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It may simply come down to Levy’s ego. After all he has apparently worked tirelessly on this for 3 years and more. Given the choice between Burnley and no TV and United and live TV. It’s obvious what is the bigger occasion. As said many times even if it was Burnley it may be ready but I doubt finished. United would mean another month and 3 games at Wembley, possibly £3m. Without knowing the implications of that £3m it’s quite hard to call imo. Although Kramer who is there today seems absolutely insistent that Burnley is absolutely not possible. Just be glad when I can finally sit In my seat.


Can I ask you why you appear to give most credence to everything (seemingly negative) Kramer says on Twitter, whilst seemingly ignoring, or dismissing the multiple posts from members on here who have been to the stadium, and the multiple vids/bits of info from Chris Cowlin, which point out the massive strides made, the stocking of the shop, the stadium fridges, the finishing touches to the corporate areas etc etc etc, since the announcement of the cable debacle?

This is not a dig at your apparent negativity. It just seems you gloss over all of the positive stuff that numerous people have said (including the manager stating almost total belief that the first game will be before Christmas, and the club sending out stadium passes), just because 1 man constantly keeps telling the world everyone else is wrong.

I just don't get it.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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Personally my surprise is all to do with Sky and their love of razzmatazz, nothing to do with the club. I’m certain the club will open the stadium as soon as they’re allowed, regardless of tv or opponent.
But Sky are all about the build up, it’ll give them something to bang on about for an hour.
Obviously no one (at this stage) can confirm a date but I am surprised Sky have not chosen the Burnley game if there’s any chance of it being ‘the one’.
Especially as the alternatives are Southampton v Woolwich and Fulham v West Ham.


No it wouldn't mate. It'd be no bloody different to when we have a 4pm kick-off on a Sunday, and they begin coverage of our game at 2.30pm.

The show would start with 3.30 minutes of talking about the stadium and THFC, then they'd spend the next hour with Neville & Carragher obsessing about Klopp, Guardiola & Mourinho before saying "Kick-off coming up after the break". :banghead:
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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I got an email last night from the club (I'm an Executive Member in the new Tunnel Club). I'd written to my contact Thursday asking info. Situation is that Club can't give certainty simply because of the test events. Something could go wrong at one of them and cause delays. Club is wary of making firm announcements after what happened last time. IF anybody could be certain (ie. we'd already had test events and had all the security certs) then we'd have firm dates and Sky / BT could plan accordingly. But we can't so they can't. And I was told (verbally) the Club's cool about TV coverage of first game(s) anyway. Our first few lower profile PL / FA Cup games can be seen as "soft openings" like dress rehearsals at a theatre, with the first Big-6 or CL match as the "grand opening" on TV with stadium build up etc.

Frankly I don't know anything for sure but what I've been told makes sense to me. The idea that we'd delay simply to have Sky cover the match and have pundits giving opinions on the cheese room etc. is weird.


Why don't you / the club just send a DM to Kramer on Twitter & get some conclusive answers ? :cautious:
 
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