New Stadium Details And Discussions

[eddiev14]

Aren't the only people that have been right so far the naysayers? I'm more inclined to believe them at this point in time as the club haven't fed many truths thus far.

Either way we'll get there when we get there, but it's not exactly unbelievable that it won't happen in Jan.

Incidentally I just read about Lyon's stadium development..... sounds familiar....

http://stadiumdb.com/news/2016/01/new_stadium_lyon_comes_last_but_in_style

I genuinely have no idea mate.

 

[spursfan77]

Jeremy Wilson (Southampton fan who’s never forgiven us for taking Poch) with a fluff piece in today’s telegraph that other clubs are unhappy with our stadium delays. Sounds a load of bull but gives them something negative to talk about for a while.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...s-frustration-grows-tottenham-stadium-delays/

 

[worcestersauce]

Jeremy Wilson (Southampton fan who’s never forgiven us for taking Poch) with a fluff piece in today’s telegraph that other clubs are unhappy with our stadium delays. Sounds a load of bull but gives them something negative to talk about for a while.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...s-frustration-grows-tottenham-stadium-delays/

They're frustrated! What the fuck do they think we are? Anyway, tough, they were ok with it and they are stuck with it.
Only quotes in that are Richard "Bastard" Scudamore from 2015 which he didn't put a lot of thought into and was overuled by the clubs anyway, I am surprised Southampton fans still think Poch would have stayed after the club cancelled his project and sold all his players though.

 

[Dougal]

Jeremy Wilson (Southampton fan who’s never forgiven us for taking Poch) with a fluff piece in today’s telegraph that other clubs are unhappy with our stadium delays. Sounds a load of bull but gives them something negative to talk about for a while.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...s-frustration-grows-tottenham-stadium-delays/

We still play on the same pitch as the opposition. If they want to talk about the integrity of the game have a look at the inflated bank balances of some teams. We’ve even self-imposed a transfer ban. Regulating ourselves so that fucker can do one.

 

[Gb160]

A close friend of mine is an alarm installation specialist who works for Tyco and lives near Chesterfield. He told me a few weeks ago that the word had gone out internally for volunteers to go work on the new stadium, but I got the impression that it hadn't been Tyco that had been responsible for the original installation, they just happened to be best placed to put things right.

Exactly what I thought...I worked as a commissioning engineer in this sector for about 10 years, and this screams that we've lost confidence in a third party and called the manufacturer in to put things right.
I actually worked for Tyco briefly...as they are a monster of a company that buys up smaller companies left right and centre.
Tyco would have probably been involved from the start, but only as manufacturer and supplier of the equipment.

 

[buckley]

So we play every game away from home and they get the hump I don't think so I think most if not all are happy with delays as it takes away our edge of having a match at home and levels it up a little as both teams are away.This is just another article thats been written with the sole purpose of having a go at all things spurs the only thing is all things written and spoken (as in g.Neville} are negative or anti spurs.So the guardian and the rest of them will have to form a line or Queue along with the rest of the anti spurs media luvvies.

 

[vegassd]

I am sure its been covered in previous posts but how can something so vital and important not be checked at certain checkpoints and the issues only arise at the crucial time? I dont really get it. Surely there is some a mechanism for reporting on these things throughout the project?

I believe that the components and sub-systems were checked as they were installed and all passed. But since that time there have been all sorts of other electrical bits and pieces installed and it was only when testing the system as a whole that the new problems were discovered. That was the story when this first broke in the media anyway, and it seems to make sense.

What worries me a bit more - and I'm in no way crapping on the stadium - is that there seem to be many areas that are a long way from being finished even now. I understand that we wouldn't need every bit of fancy lighting or landscaping sorted to be able to play there, but that photo of the player's tunnel doesn't look great and there's plenty of groundwork that appears to be remaining outside the stadium too.

I don't doubt it will get done, but it makes the initial opening target look even more crazy and it would seem that it wasn't just going to be the fire system that would have delayed the opening. Worth the wait though... the place looks incredible!

 

[Phischy]

I believe that the components and sub-systems were checked as they were installed and all passed. But since that time there have been all sorts of other electrical bits and pieces installed and it was only when testing the system as a whole that the new problems were discovered. That was the story when this first broke in the media anyway, and it seems to make sense.

What worries me a bit more - and I'm in no way crapping on the stadium - is that there seem to be many areas that are a long way from being finished even now. I understand that we wouldn't need every bit of fancy lighting or landscaping sorted to be able to play there, but that photo of the player's tunnel doesn't look great and there's plenty of groundwork that appears to be remaining outside the stadium too.

I don't doubt it will get done, but it makes the initial opening target look even more crazy and it would seem that it wasn't just going to be the fire system that would have delayed the opening. Worth the wait though... the place looks incredible!

What you're saying makes sense in a world where the logical order of progression is unchanged regardless of end date, i.e. one job must always follow another. However, when the opening date was changed certain works will have been put back to accommodate others being pulled forward. One example may be that remedial work might prevent a particular job being finished, which can now be done or works which might have been delayed until after opening are being done now. In this case, the players tunnel was probably considered a smaller job which might always have been scheduled to be done soon before opening. When opening was delayed other jobs will have been prioritised. As David Matzdorf has frequently mentioned it's all about the critical path. The fire systems failing will have changed that and jobs which are more visual/finishing as opposed to structural (either physically or systems wise) will have been easy to delay until closer to opening time, not least because you need everything else in those areas completed and working before you cover it up with finished surfaces.

 

[spursfan77]

They're frustrated! What the fuck do they think we are? Anyway, tough, they were ok with it and they are stuck with it.
Only quotes in that are Richard "Bastard" Scudamore from 2015 which he didn't put a lot of thought into and was overuled by the clubs anyway, I am surprised Southampton fans still think Poch would have stayed after the club cancelled his project and sold all his players though.

Scudamore uttered those words but I checked the PL rulebook around the time and I couldn't find anything about not playing in more than one ground. You'd have thought the journalists reporting on it would have checked the facts rather than taking his words as gospel wouldn't you

 

[spursfan77]

So we play every game away from home and they get the hump I don't think so I think most if not all are happy with delays as it takes away our edge of having a match at home and levels it up a little as both teams are away.This is just another article thats been written with the sole purpose of having a go at all things spurs the only thing is all things written and spoken (as in g.Neville} are negative or anti spurs.So the guardian and the rest of them will have to form a line or Queue along with the rest of the anti spurs media luvvies.

I'm sure they'll be front of the queue when the stadium opens with the freebee tours of the corporate areas and free food/drink/hospitality on show though.

 

[coys200]

Wilson is always anti spurs. Was convinced he was a gooner till found out was Southampton. Possibly the worst anti spurs article I’ve seen throughout the whole fiasco.

 

[Buster18]

Wilson is always anti spurs. Was convinced he was a gooner till found out was Southampton. Possibly the worst anti spurs article I’ve seen throughout the whole fiasco.

We have a major problem with our lack of ex-Spurs players and spurs fan journo's in the media.

Most opinion you read on Spurs these days comes from ex-Goon, Scouse, Chelsea players or Arsenal supporting journo's or journo's with a gripe.

 

[Shadydan]

Article isn't that bad, just repeating what we've already heard.

A lot of articles published are just click bait, taking advantage of the stadium delays for people to read and generate revenue, much of it is exaggeration if anything.

 

[Bulletspur]

What you're saying makes sense in a world where the logical order of progression is unchanged regardless of end date, i.e. one job must always follow another. However, when the opening date was changed certain works will have been put back to accommodate others being pulled forward. One example may be that remedial work might prevent a particular job being finished, which can now be done or works which might have been delayed until after opening are being done now. In this case, the players tunnel was probably considered a smaller job which might always have been scheduled to be done soon before opening. When opening was delayed other jobs will have been prioritised. As David Matzdorf has frequently mentioned it's all about the critical path. The fire systems failing will have changed that and jobs which are more visual/finishing as opposed to structural (either physically or systems wise) will have been easy to delay until closer to opening time, not least because you need everything else in those areas completed and working before you cover it up with finished surfaces.

Well said! It's a pity that some supporters and other people cannot grasp this, instead of continuing to spout their negativity

 

[sly1]

Aren't the only people that have been right so far the naysayers? I'm more inclined to believe them at this point in time as the club haven't fed many truths thus far.

Either way we'll get there when we get there, but it's not exactly unbelievable that it won't happen in Jan.

Incidentally I just read about Lyon's stadium development..... sounds familiar....

http://stadiumdb.com/news/2016/01/new_stadium_lyon_comes_last_but_in_style

This is a bit annoying, because it creates a completely false picture of the so called naysayers and yea-sayers.

This is a large construction project. Everyone knows that such projects can and very often are delayed by unforeseen problems. Everyone knows that no one can guarantee that the Tottenham Stadium will be done by any specific date. Levy himself has made it clear that he does not know for certain when the stadium will be finished

It isn’t accurate to group people into those that think the stadium will definitely be done by a certain date (1st January) and those that think it will be ready for next season. The real distinction is between those of us, including me, who think that the stadium could plausibly finished in the next couple of months if things go well, and those of us (the “naysayers”) that think that the club already knows that there is no chance of the stadium opening this season and are hiding this fact from us.

The naysayers have not actually been proved right at all so far, because there has been no evidence whatsoever that the club has deliberately provided opening dates that they know cannot be met.

I still think that the stadium could be finished by the new year, because that is what the club seem to be suggesting is plausible. That doesn’t mean I think it definitely will be finished by the new year. It may not be finished for the start of next season for all I know. But there is a difference between uncertainty and lying.

 

[worcestersauce]

There is a lot of possibly maybe's in those naysayer predictions though, I say it will rain next Wednesday but my wife says it won't I base my case on the fact that it is November not June whereas my wife's case is based on the fact that it is November not April. Next week we'll find out who is correct and when we do we'll quote our case as the reason we knew even though we all know we didn't know at all.
There is a certain amout of that going on with the predictions with people saying there you go "I told you so" "I knew all along" when they made an educated guess but they didn't know and had the fire alrms worked those people saying it wouldn't be until January would have been wrong, unless, of course, they knew the fire alarms wouldn't work.

 

[Phischy]

There is a lot of possibly maybe's in those naysayer predictions though, I say it will rain next Wednesday but my wife says it won't I base my case on the fact that it is November not June whereas my wife's case is based on the fact that it is November not April. Next week we'll find out who is correct and when we do we'll quote our case as the reason we knew even though we all know we didn't know at all.
There is a certain amout of that going on with the predictions with people saying there you go "I told you so" "I knew all along" when they made an educated guess but they didn't know and had the fire alrms worked those people saying it wouldn't be until January would have been wrong, unless, of course, they knew the fire alarms wouldn't work.

Maybe the fire alarms have been reading this thread... It certainly seems to stop me from working.

 

[Coq_Au_Ginge]

 

[vegassd]

What you're saying makes sense in a world where the logical order of progression is unchanged regardless of end date, i.e. one job must always follow another. However, when the opening date was changed certain works will have been put back to accommodate others being pulled forward. One example may be that remedial work might prevent a particular job being finished, which can now be done or works which might have been delayed until after opening are being done now. In this case, the players tunnel was probably considered a smaller job which might always have been scheduled to be done soon before opening. When opening was delayed other jobs will have been prioritised. As David Matzdorf has frequently mentioned it's all about the critical path. The fire systems failing will have changed that and jobs which are more visual/finishing as opposed to structural (either physically or systems wise) will have been easy to delay until closer to opening time, not least because you need everything else in those areas completed and working before you cover it up with finished surfaces.

Agree with all that, and like I said I'm not crapping on the stadium build at all.

My point is simply that there's been a lot of work going on that is not dependent on the fire system stuff (eg. exterior paving/planting/lighting) and that work still isn't finished almost 3 months after the original fire systems notice and the shutdown of the weekend overtime at that point. So had we opened as planned in September it would have likely been with a load of construction equipment still dotted around and likely some areas closed off to the fans. I would personally have preferred that for the team but it may have taken a bit of a shine off things.

Let me re-iterate... I'm not being negative about the stadium and don't want to get lumped in with that group of our fans! Just an observation/concern that had we opened in September there would have been all sorts of bits and pieces not finished.

If anything it's a silver lining of being somewhat delayed - there will be more stuff completed to a nicer standard when we do move in. But it makes the September target look pretty aggressive to me (not very Levy-like!) and I wonder if a January target would have been a better option all round.

Perhaps the club decided that we needed the September target in order to persuade the PL to let us use Wembley for a while? If that were the case it would hopefully quiet some of those fans who call it a "fiasco" or "disaster" if they knew we had pulled a fast one over the rest of the league!

 

[davidmatzdorf]

If it does end up being next season i just don't know how the club and mace can get it so wrong. How could they think the opening date would be September when it would actually be almost a year longer, it doesn't make sense.

The overall stadium build has never been the problem. Much of the whole interconnected alarm system needs to be rewired. That involves undoing completed work to expose and uninstall the wiring and then redoing it.

We don't know if the problem is down to poor installation, incorrect materials being used, incorrect and un-approvable design or a combination of those factors. If it turns out to have been the overall design of the alarm system at fault, then it's all too plausible that the amount of stripping out and redoing work could take many months, even a year if all parts of the building are implicated.

I don't know how many people have to restate that the whole build was capsized, out of nowhere, by the problems with the safety system, not by the entire build running late, before people accept it.As time runs on, this becomes more and more obvious.

I met someone recently (I posted it a few pages ago) whose partner works in a managerial capacity at the stadium and confirmed this. About 20 other people have confirmed it. With the time that has elapsed since the problem came to light and the amount of work that has been completed since then, I can now see with my own eyes and experience that the overall stadium build was not running many months late, because internally it's visibly finished in early November - and it didn't need to be "finished" to host football matches.

The current state of completion of the stadium shows that the overall build was not the problem. It was the alarm system.

No disrespect to Edmonton but he’s barely got one thing right on the stadium so far. No idea where the concept of him being reliable comes from.

It's not about whether his predictions come true. He's obviously getting a great deal of info from inside the hierarchy, but (a) they don't know and (b) they aren't telling. His post this week didn't say the stadium would take a year - it didn't predict anything. He said no one would say anything and the rumour mill was running feverishly. The rest has been moaning fans reading only what they want to read.