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whitesocks

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This is most likely me being really stupid and it may have been mentioned and shot down before but is there likely to be any side effects with regards to the bounce of the ball due to having a retractable pitch? I know it’s not going to be like Monoco who have a underground car park underneath their pitch but I was wondering if we have any comparisons we can draw on with other stadiums.
It would have been nice to get some reassurance that the playing surface has not been compromised by this pretty radical technical solution to the problem.
They could have run some tests on the tray at the training ground, comparing the ball bounce height at different parts of the tray, for different drop heights, thump it with different weights to see how resistive it is compared to a standard pitch. I'm sure engineers could think of loads of others.

They could even have got the players to have a kick around and asked them! But I've seen no evidence that a player or a ball has been anywhere near these trays, even at this late stage.
It might be because as wsauce says, for someone technical, it is obvious the trays will have no effect. They are too heavy and anything deeper than a couple of inches down is irrelevant.

Or it might be that this is the only solution. If the pitch bounces the ball up like a beach ball, or kills it dead in places, then that is the way it is. They'll be able to tinker with it a bit, but basically this is reality as MP might say. Get on with it.
 

Sandro30

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I have a load of H club pictures from last night, will post when my daughters gymnastics performance finishes.
 

Sandro30

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carmeldevil

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It would have been nice to get some reassurance that the playing surface has not been compromised by this pretty radical technical solution to the problem.
They could have run some tests on the tray at the training ground, comparing the ball bounce height at different parts of the tray, for different drop heights, thump it with different weights to see how resistive it is compared to a standard pitch. I'm sure engineers could think of loads of others.

They could even have got the players to have a kick around and asked them! But I've seen no evidence that a player or a ball has been anywhere near these trays, even at this late stage.
It might be because as wsauce says, for someone technical, it is obvious the trays will have no effect. They are too heavy and anything deeper than a couple of inches down is irrelevant.

Or it might be that this is the only solution. If the pitch bounces the ball up like a beach ball, or kills it dead in places, then that is the way it is. They'll be able to tinker with it a bit, but basically this is reality as MP might say. Get on with it.

I’ve seen heavy machinery operate on the trays prior to grass installation. I doubt it’ll be “bouncy” to have an effect on a ball.
 

Saoirse

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Even if the bounce is slightly different it might be a good thing. We'll get used to it pretty quickly, the opposition only coming once a year won't.
 

mil1lion

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Doesn't it also depend on the contract we have with Wembley?
If they demand a month's notice - which seems quite reasonable, then I guess we have to wait until a month after we get the certificate, unless the club are really confident of the timings...
I guess the Wembley contract could be bought off early for a price.
I thought the contract ended and we pay by game now
 

mil1lion

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May 7, 2004
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Went to Tunnel Club event tonight. Pix to follow this weekend.

For those who haven’t been inside, the stadium is truly awesome. No bias just because its Spurs. Simply in a league of its own. Majestic but intimate, classy but still, at heart, a proper football venue. Brought a tear to my eye. The pitch is the most beautiful green I’ve ever seen.

The Tunnel Club itself takes ‘premium’ to a different level. I won’t say more than that.

The only thing is that I formed the impression Newcastle on Feb 2nd is not a ‘slam-dunk’. It’s only going there you see how truly BIG it is and how hundreds of millions of pounds have been spent. There’s still A LOT to be done. All internal. The pitch and seats finished. It’s the parts you can’t see they’re still working like crazy on. But I was told CL round 16 mid Feb is definitely a serious deadline now, IF before isn’t possible.

More tomorrow. Too drunk and elated to continue.
While I'm sure there's still a lot to be done that doesn't mean it won't be ready for Newcastle. We're talking about the difference between being ready and being finished. I doubt it will be finished until next season. Even then the project around the ground will take a few more years. Great info, thanks for sharing.
 

kmk

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Even if the bounce is slightly different it might be a good thing. We'll get used to it pretty quickly, the opposition only coming once a year won't.

Also, standard pitches have a camber (slopes down from the middle to the sides) to make drainage more efficient.

Our pitch will be completely flat as it rests on pitch trays which will have their own drainage system.
 

southlondonyiddo

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What part of the old pitch is heavier? All the earth beneath it? Where do you stop?

There only need to a certain level of depth and mass below the pitch for it to behave as expected. Any more depth and mass makes no difference.

I reckon a pitch that goes from here to Australia will react differently to one that is laid on a tray

I will though bow to your greater knowledge and scientific fact if this is definitely not the case
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Nou Camp is very dated now. The plans they have for the Nou Camp Nou as part of the Espai Barça project are impressive though.



Looks so easy in this video. Hope they don't use Mace.

Even if the bounce is slightly different it might be a good thing. We'll get used to it pretty quickly, the opposition only coming once a year won't.

Remember Young Boys away? We weren't ready for that pitch (why we weren't I'll never know)
For half hour we looked like a pub team.

I reckon a pitch that goes from here to Australia will react differently to one that is laid on a tray

I will though bow to your greater knowledge and scientific fact if this is definitely not the case

This isn't serious is it? Do you think there is a never ending effect on the bounce of a ball?
Do you think 12k km's of earth below the ball will make it bounce differently to 12 inches?
 

JCRD

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Great photos - I need to rob a fuckin bank ASAP. God im poor

Just a couple of queries - can you just buy a ticket for one game to get access to the tunnel club, the VIP bars etc and the sky lounge? Or do you need to actually buy a box and stuff and get a season ticket for the boxes/access?

Thanks
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Great photos - I need to rob a fuckin bank ASAP. God im poor

Just a couple of queries - can you just buy a ticket for one game to get access to the tunnel club, the VIP bars etc and the sky lounge? Or do you need to actually buy a box and stuff and get a season ticket for the boxes/access?

Thanks

IIRC, the Tunnel club is £20,000 a year and you have to buy 2. Just over a grand a game on a 19 game basis.
But you won't be able to buy one, you'd have to get an invite.
 

JCRD

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IIRC, the Tunnel club is £20,000 a year and you have to buy 2. Just over a grand a game on a 19 game basis.
But you won't be able to buy one, you'd have to get an invite.


Ah ok - so when you say get an invite - from whom, from an existing member or from the club?

I need to plan a heist of some sort either that or become really great friends with tunnel club members - anyone on here a tunnel club member? how are ya
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Ah ok - so when you say get an invite - from whom, from an existing member or from the club?

I need to plan a heist of some sort either that or become really great friends with tunnel club members - anyone on here a tunnel club member? how are ya
Yeah, one of the 38 people with a membership will need to bring you along with them as a guest.
 

worcestersauce

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But they are necessary when all the pre season publicity has been about high level dining, Michelin star chefs , the H club, the Tunnel Club etc etc etc. Various sources kept saying that it was not going to be ready and they were right and we are still being told there is a lot to do.
No they are not necessary, I'm not sure how you spend your time watching the game but I can assure you that I have never dined high level or otherwise at a Spurs match, don't know what the H club is and have always been happy to wait until the players emerged from the tunnel to see them, as for Michelin star chef's, believe it or not I have managed to scrape through my sixty two years without ever having met one or tasted their cooking so I'm going with the theory that they are singularly unecessary to stage football matches too.
As for the various sources, it turned out they were wrong as the reasons they gave for possible delays turned out not to be the case.
 

dagraham

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No they are not necessary, I'm not sure how you spend your time watching the game but I can assure you that I have never dined high level or otherwise at a Spurs match, don't know what the H club is and have always been happy to wait until the players emerged from the tunnel to see them, as for Michelin star chef's, believe it or not I have managed to scrape through my sixty two years without ever having met one or tasted their cooking so I'm going with the theory that they are singularly unecessary to stage football matches too.
As for the various sources, it turned out they were wrong as the reasons they gave for possible delays turned out not to be the case.

To be fair I think you both have a point.

Obviously none of this is necessary to host a football match, but it is necessary to host a corporate space for those football matches.

Anyone paying top dollar where facilities are half baked would expect a partial refund even if it didn’t effect the actual ability of the stadium to host the match safely.
 

minesadouble

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Dont think mush of the finish on the stair well!

It's fine. I thought the same. But it's just wet. The guys were working on the Tunnel Club and our seats until 5 p.m. yesterday and we arrived at 6.30 ! Once it's dried, the finish is perfect.

Only thing is we get rained on when it's raining and wind's blowing in 'wrong' direction. Us and the bench get the full football experience. I wouldn't have it any other way. The missus ('mines a double-D') is not so sure !
 
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