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fuzzylogic

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Aug 2, 2004
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A build that size and on a timescale. Not surprised at all by the delays. Just wish we had been realistic and done it over 2 seasons. Which now seems to be more likely now. Just miss having a home
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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In all seriousness if we don’t hold a test event before mid June and then are unable to sell ST for 19/20 the financial implications could be devastating. I’m actually very worried.

In that situation Lewis would stump up some of his cash. He’s not exactly going to let us go to the wall, if all he has to do is sell a couple of paintings to cover the income from season tickets. Or we’d go to the bank and ask for some more money to cover it. It would be annoying for the owners but not something for us to get our knickers in a twist about.
 

hellava_tough

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I used to be a facilities manager and worked on a few different sites of varying sizes.

As such, I've had experience with fire systems on a smaller scale, although I'm not an expert in this area.

I'm really surprised that a faulty fire system is taking this long to fix.

The physical components of the system, including the cabling itself, won't ALL be faulty (unless there's some massive fraud going on). And faults with individual sections of the system are usually quite easy to isolate, because of the way the system is designed. It certainly wouldn't take 12 months to find and sort out a problem.

And as for reprogramming a fire panel, again, this shouldn't take 12 months to fix. Depends how much time and money you want to throw at it, which Spurs should do and then sue the contractor to reclaim the costs.

Anyway, I'm genuinely interested now to find out what the issue is.
 

tony0379

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May 17, 2004
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I used to be a facilities manager and worked on a few different sites of varying sizes.

As such, I've had experience with fire systems on a smaller scale, although I'm not an expert in this area.

I'm really surprised that a faulty fire system is taking this long to fix.

The physical components of the system, including the cabling itself, won't ALL be faulty (unless there's some massive fraud going on). And faults with individual sections of the system are usually quite easy to isolate, because of the way the system is designed. It certainly wouldn't take 12 months to find and sort out a problem.

And as for reprogramming a fire panel, again, this shouldn't take 12 months to fix. Depends how much time and money you want to throw at it, which Spurs should do and then sue the contractor to reclaim the costs.

Anyway, I'm genuinely interested now to find out what the issue is.
It does sound a bit dodgy. Something they're not telling us
 

hellava_tough

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It does sound a bit dodgy. Something they're not telling us

I'd be incredibly surprised if they had to "pull the whole system out" and start again.

For that to be the case, then (1) all the fire cabling is faulty (2) all the heat/smoke detector heads are faulty (3) all the break-glass panels are faulty (4) all the relay-switches and fire panels across the site are faulty, (5) the main fire control system is faulty, etc, etc.

Literally, everything they've put in.

If it's something to do with software installation, then that's a pain, but it wouldn't take 12 months even if you had to replace fire panels/hardware, etc. Especially since there'll be a team of guys working on it; it's not going to be one old-boy, plodding around the site for 12 months!

Anyway, I could be wrong, but like I said it will be interesting to see what the problem is.

PS If there is anyone on here who is an actual fire safety installation engineer, then I'd love to hear your views on this.
 

dondo

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Jan 4, 2006
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I used to be a facilities manager and worked on a few different sites of varying sizes.

As such, I've had experience with fire systems on a smaller scale, although I'm not an expert in this area.

I'm really surprised that a faulty fire system is taking this long to fix.

The physical components of the system, including the cabling itself, won't ALL be faulty (unless there's some massive fraud going on). And faults with individual sections of the system are usually quite easy to isolate, because of the way the system is designed. It certainly wouldn't take 12 months to find and sort out a problem.

And as for reprogramming a fire panel, again, this shouldn't take 12 months to fix. Depends how much time and money you want to throw at it, which Spurs should do and then sue the contractor to reclaim the costs.

Anyway, I'm genuinely interested now to find out what the issue is.


It’s not just the fire alarm system that is holding the stadium up, as you say they could have sorted out the safety issues with the fire alarm 3 times over by now.
I work there on and off up till August and at that point the build was still some way off being ready to open in many aspects without taking in consideration of a fire alarm system
 
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dagraham

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Sep 20, 2005
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I still can’t shake the feeling that our haste to rush the job and employing the only construction managers who were prepared to work to our schedule has indirectly led to the situation we find ourselves in.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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Jun 8, 2012
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I'd be incredibly surprised if they had to "pull the whole system out" and start again.

For that to be the case, then (1) all the fire cabling is faulty (2) all the heat/smoke detector heads are faulty (3) all the break-glass panels are faulty (4) all the relay-switches and fire panels across the site are faulty, (5) the main fire control system is faulty, etc, etc.

Literally, everything they've put in.

If it's something to do with software installation, then that's a pain, but it wouldn't take 12 months even if you had to replace fire panels/hardware, etc. Especially since there'll be a team of guys working on it; it's not going to be one old-boy, plodding around the site for 12 months!

Anyway, I could be wrong, but like I said it will be interesting to see what the problem is.

PS If there is anyone on here who is an actual fire safety installation engineer, then I'd love to hear your views on this.


What about the rumours that some of the electricians we're Chel$ki / West Ham fans who purposely sabotaged the wiring /system. If they were indeed true, are any of your scenarios possible then?
 

Deggsy56

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Anyone would think Carrillion were involved with the stadium the way it's constantly delayed, and costs rising by the day. Should've got John Laing to build it as they did the now Etihad stadium. Nothing wrong with that!
 

coys200

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In that situation Lewis would stump up some of his cash. He’s not exactly going to let us go to the wall, if all he has to do is sell a couple of paintings to cover the income from season tickets. Or we’d go to the bank and ask for some more money to cover it. It would be annoying for the owners but not something for us to get our knickers in a twist about.

Yup I guess Lewis would have to step in. He’s currently sitting on a £2bn profit at exit highly unlikely he’d jeopardise that for for sake of £100-150m. At a guess I’d say this season has cost us £50m in gate receipts and Wembley rent. The biggest fear Is the financial implications start to manifest in an on field decline. But our safety net really is that ENIC need to protect their investment as they are very close to the perfect exit.
 

Hoopspur

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Jun 28, 2012
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So confirmed then if you read the last number of pages. More or less no one has a clue.
 

NickHSpurs

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I still can’t shake the feeling that our haste to rush the job and employing the only construction managers who were prepared to work to our schedule has indirectly led to the situation we find ourselves in.

That's absolutely the reason, they commited the classic quantity over quality error and just threw loads of people at the job (who it seems now were not qualified to do it) and hoped for the best.
 

thebenjamin

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Jul 1, 2008
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In that situation Lewis would stump up some of his cash. He’s not exactly going to let us go to the wall, if all he has to do is sell a couple of paintings to cover the income from season tickets. Or we’d go to the bank and ask for some more money to cover it. It would be annoying for the owners but not something for us to get our knickers in a twist about.

And in the real world the club would sell players.
 
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