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Lilbaz

Just call me Baz
Apr 1, 2005
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I never said it was simply the wrong cable and neither did the op. And theres no such thing as simply given the amount of cable used.
However a fire alarm system is a relatively simple system no matter how flash the control system is. If the new super duper state of the art proto type flux capacitor warp drive alarm panel doesnt fkin work then just hook up a tried and tested one that bloody does.
It shouldnt take long to sort that out IF the cables and detectors are sorted which by now they must be.
One man and his dog could have fkin installed a working alarm system by now!
Unless the dog was a closet gooner.
As I said incompetence doesnt really do it justice.
Sick of it.

Fire alarm systems are anything but simple. They are always fucking up.
 

Lilbaz

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Temperamental maybe but not complicated. Every public/office building in the uk has one so they're not that complicated are they???

Every building is different with different needs. Yes it is complicated. Most buildings i've worked you will have an engineer on site at least once a month. It is also dangerous if you have halon etc...
 

Lilbaz

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The panel has to be able to communicte with other devices made by different companies. Doorcontrollers, spinkler systems, gas, electric, gas suppression, the fire brigade, other panels in the building, thousands of smokeheads, heat detectors, break glass units, address systems, alarms, lifts etc...
 
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Yid121

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West Ham will never go to 66k it was just PR. Would involve a £10-15m spend to update facilities (toilets etc) to get a license.

I know nothing about fire systems and appreciate Stacey info. But he does make it sound like some NASA installation. Can it really be that complex. They are fitted in every single major build in this country it’s not like we are doing something groundbreaking.
Looks to me they could get to 62,500 quite easily:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/46545833

When's the cut off for the facilities spend?
 

slartibartfast

Grunge baby forever
Oct 21, 2012
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Every building is different with different needs. Yes it is complicated. Most buildings i've worked you will have an engineer on site at least once a month. It is also dangerous if you have halon etc...
Halon has nothing to do with it. Spurs arent having a Halon system. And its dangerous, thats not the same as complicated to design and install.

We'll have to disagree mate.
Im not saying its so simple Gary from next door could have popped down B&Q grabbed a few detectors, a bit of FP200 and slapped it in in 2 months.
But for qualified experienced Fire alarm 'specialists' to fuck up so badly on such a large job is pathetic. Gary could have done a better job.

Your engineer going to site every week is probably down to problems with tempremental equiment, not a design or installation issue becuse its a complicated system.
Every building is different for the installation of everything in the building for electrics, plumbing etc and while that throws up different problems to overcome it doesnt make it a complicated system.
These arent the type of probems we have had if this tweet is to be believed.
We've had incorrect cable installed, insufficient detectors and are trying to install an untested prototype control system that we've now discovered doesn't fkin work.
This has been a complete incompetance from the start.

Its like me installing AC throughout the stadium and discovering we have refrigerant leaks everywhere because we've used water pipe instead of refrigeration pipe which is also the wrong size, the fan coils arent adequate to cool that area anyway and the outdoor units cant run that many indoor units so we'll have to start again from scratch.
And the AC isnt a critical safety system but you'd still make absolutely fkin 100% damn sure everything you were doing was bang on the money before you began slapping the bloody thing in.
Utter incompetance.

I'm proper pissed off lol.
 

Lilbaz

Just call me Baz
Apr 1, 2005
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Halon has nothing to do with it. Spurs arent having a Halon system. And its dangerous, thats not the same as complicated to design and install.

We'll have to disagree mate.
Im not saying its so simple Gary from next door could have popped down B&Q grabbed a few detectors, a bit of FP200 and slapped it in in 2 months.
But for qualified experienced Fire alarm 'specialists' to fuck up so badly on such a large job is pathetic. Gary could have done a better job.

Your engineer going to site every week is probably down to problems with tempremental equiment, not a design or installation issue becuse its a complicated system.
Every building is different for the installation of everything in the building for electrics, plumbing etc and while that throws up different problems to overcome it doesnt make it a complicated system.
These arent the type of probems we have had if this tweet is to be believed.
We've had incorrect cable installed, insufficient detectors and are trying to install an untested prototype control system that we've now discovered doesn't fkin work.
This has been a complete incompetance from the start.

Its like me installing AC throughout the stadium and discovering we have refrigerant leaks everywhere because we've used water pipe instead of refrigeration pipe, the fan coils arent adequate to cool that area anyway and the outdoor units cant run that many indoor units so we'll have to start again from scratch.
And the AC isnt a critical safety system but you'd still make absolutely fkin 100% damn sure everything you were doing was bang on the money before you began slapping the bloody thing in.
Utter incompetance.

I'm proper pissed off lol.

Agree to disagree.

We will most likely be having halon in the server rooms though.
 

Lilbaz

Just call me Baz
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That’s just the extra payment agreed to the landlord. It doesn’t include the cost of improving facilities. The only chance 66k will ever happen is if they get CL football. So basically no chance.

They'll get it for big games. Most likely not be their fans but they'll sell out now and again. The tickets are so cheap.
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
Jun 20, 2012
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Agree to disagree.

We will most likely be having halon in the server rooms though.
Halon's being phased out so I doubt it.
Although an alternative gas extinguisher will probably be used, probably co2, so your point still stands.
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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The panel has to be able to communicte with other devices made by different companies. Doorcontrollers, spinkler systems, gas, electric, gas suppression, the fire brigade, other panels in the building, thousands of smokeheads, heat detectors, break glass units, address systems, alarms, lifts etc...

This is the same in every stadium ever constructed though. MACE build stadiums for a living. They should just be copying what they've done before, surely?
 

Khilari

Plumber. Sort of.
Jun 19, 2008
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The panel has to be able to communicte with other devices made by different companies. Doorcontrollers, spinkler systems, gas, electric, gas suppression, the fire brigade, other panels in the building, thousands of smokeheads, heat detectors, break glass units, address systems, alarms, lifts etc...
I work for the NHS and can tell you that, as one of the most underfunded organisations and a massive breadth of building type and age, it has a well functioning and clear fire alarm system.

Given that, it is rather hard to understand why a corporate organisation can't get it right.
 

Lilbaz

Just call me Baz
Apr 1, 2005
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I work for the NHS and can tell you that, as one of the most underfunded organisations and a massive breadth of building type and age, it has a well functioning and clear fire alarm system.

Given that, it is rather hard to understand why a corporate organisation can't get it right.

It's a fuck up no doubt. Not arguing that.
 
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