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Reece

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Given the reports of such gross incompetence and mismanagement on site, it makes me wonder about what other problems are lurking..... Such a shame.
 

Dunc2610

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Questions and quotes like this really get on my tits. Asking questions and making assumptions on information based solely on hear say.
There's no assumptions, I'd love to say outright where this information came from but without wanting to sound dramatic, its sensitive and I value my job!
 

Dunc2610

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I can understand incompetence. We’ve all worked with idiots. But how were the wrong materials even available in the first place? And was there no supervision of any sort? It’s layer upon layer of idiots.
My company walked away from the project due to timescales being unrealistic. Out of sequence working and lack of time leading to corners being cut and poor workmanship!
 

Paolo10

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If I were working on a rival club's new stadium, I would still do the best job I possibly could. Professional pride would make sure I do. On the other hand, my Spurs instincts would tell me I shouldn't even be anywhere such a project.

 

dondo

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A lot of decent electricians I know left the job or refused to go because of working conditions and general incompetence from management. So a lot of the guys left are the ones who can’t get jobs elsewhere


Got something to say Davidmatzdorf?
I was there mate were/are you?
 

Paolo10

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Point being that scummy fans on the build very well may have half arsed it, such is the bitterness.

If one of our lot has surreptitiously tried to poison West Ham with radioactive waste, then that might have been taking it a bit too far tbh!

Maybe that's why their fans all look like they do?
 

Monkey boy

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One of the issues with a project of this scale was always going to be the amount of skilled labour available especially as it seems the tactic was to flood the place with workers to meet some might say an unrealistic timescale.

The construction industry has been going to the dogs for years. I’ve sat on trades courses run by colleges and saw for myself that you only really needed to attend for a certain amount of time before you were issued with a certificate and a pair of safety boots and away you go. Looking at some of the adverts for labouring jobs at the stadium all that was being asked for was a CSCS card which if anyone has ever had to obtain one of those it’s pretty clear that it qualifies you for having a basic level of common sense and nothing more. Unfortunately it would appear that a lot of the labourers were probably given jobs far beyond their capabilities and this is the end result.

Most of these guys were probably used to working on a traditional 2 up, 2 down house but all of a sudden were tasked with building a sports stadium which I think we’d all agree is a completely different kettle of fish.

Long and short of it is that there was never the required amount of skilled labour available to complete the job of this magnitude especially when you consider all the other big construction projects happening at the same time, cross rail etc.
 

Jimmypearce7

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One of the issues with a project of this scale was always going to be the amount of skilled labour available especially as it seems the tactic was to flood the place with workers to meet some might say an unrealistic timescale.

The construction industry has been going to the dogs for years. I’ve sat on trades courses run by colleges and saw for myself that you only really needed to attend for a certain amount of time before you were issued with a certificate and a pair of safety boots and away you go. Looking at some of the adverts for labouring jobs at the stadium all that was being asked for was a CSCS card which if anyone has ever had to obtain one of those it’s pretty clear that it qualifies you for having a basic level of common sense and nothing more. Unfortunately it would appear that a lot of the labourers were probably given jobs far beyond their capabilities and this is the end result.

Most of these guys were probably used to working on a traditional 2 up, 2 down house but all of a sudden were tasked with building a sports stadium which I think we’d all agree is a completely different kettle of fish.

Long and short of it is that there was never the required amount of skilled labour available to complete the job of this magnitude especially when you consider all the other big construction projects happening at the same time, cross rail etc.

We should have joined some sort of international trade body, a group of nations, that enabled us to bring in skilled labour from other countries!
 

Spurs' Pipe Dreams

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One of the issues with a project of this scale was always going to be the amount of skilled labour available especially as it seems the tactic was to flood the place with workers to meet some might say an unrealistic timescale.

The construction industry has been going to the dogs for years. I’ve sat on trades courses run by colleges and saw for myself that you only really needed to attend for a certain amount of time before you were issued with a certificate and a pair of safety boots and away you go. Looking at some of the adverts for labouring jobs at the stadium all that was being asked for was a CSCS card which if anyone has ever had to obtain one of those it’s pretty clear that it qualifies you for having a basic level of common sense and nothing more. Unfortunately it would appear that a lot of the labourers were probably given jobs far beyond their capabilities and this is the end result.

Most of these guys were probably used to working on a traditional 2 up, 2 down house but all of a sudden were tasked with building a sports stadium which I think we’d all agree is a completely different kettle of fish.

Long and short of it is that there was never the required amount of skilled labour available to complete the job of this magnitude especially when you consider all the other big construction projects happening at the same time, cross rail etc.

A very sensible well measured post, I think you should be banned :sneaky:
 

'O Zio

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My company walked away from the project due to timescales being unrealistic. Out of sequence working and lack of time leading to corners being cut and poor workmanship!

So if your company walked away from the project then why would they/you have any kind of inside track about what's going on now?
 

Monkey boy

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We should have joined some sort of international trade body, a group of nations, that enabled us to bring in skilled labour from other countries!

Ha ha let’s not take this thread there but without trying to sound too anti Europe here this has also lead to problems in the construction industry. A lot of migrant workers will use their friend or families certificates, ID cards etc. What you get then is usually groups of Brits, groups of Poles, groups of Bulgarians etc. Which pretty much leave each other be and not talk to one and other. What happens then is that nobody really knows or pays attention to what anybody looks like and one day Gregorz the skilled electrician will be replaced by Sergei the not so skilled electrician and nobody will bat an eye lid because they didn’t know who Gregorz was in the first place.

By the stories I’ve read on here from people who worked on the site such as @dondo it would appear that working conditions were pretty much as bad as you can get and even the basics of CDM and H&S laws were being ignored so I don’t put much faith that the recruitment agencies and site supervisors were paying much attention to who was coming and going from site but more interested that they were getting the required numbers to the site.
 

class of 62

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We should have joined some sort of international trade body, a group of nations, that enabled us to bring in skilled labour from other countries!
This was the skilled labour fro other countries?.. 90% of the sparks on site where Romanian /Bulgarian

I asked many of them. On sites I've been on where they got there qualifications /certificates etc.. Many just bought them ffs?.. You can't say to much even when you experience it as your called all sorts???.
The cscs scheme is not fit.. It was supposed to stop unskilled labour but has been bypassed by greedy firms and agencies looking to earn quick profits.. On large-scale sites I've visited and been on the only large contractor that ever checked to see if I was who I said iwas and had a bona-fide skill set as I claimed was carillion and they went under last year.
 

Dunc2610

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So if your company walked away from the project then why would they/you have any kind of inside track about what's going on now?
I've sent you a DM, for me to say exactly who I work for and how I know would be rather unprofessional, and I quite like my job ;)
 
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