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spud

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Currently talking to a few different fire system companies for the project i'm working on, of whom one was contracted in the analyse the system at the new stadium. He was saying they essentially installed the system before a fully developed design was in place, so none of it is up to the regulations. Therefore the entire system has had to be redesigned and all of what was installed removed and the then installed to the correct standards.
I'm not in the construction industry and I can't say whether this is or isn't accurate, but I find it difficult to believe.

To design a multi-million pound building, receive planning permission for it and commence the build before designing the key component that will ensure that you can start to use it seems incredible. Even if it was the case, how can any competent contractor install a system that 'is not up to regulations'? Furthermore, aren't buildings under construction regularly inspected? How could work that is 'not up to the regulations' pass these inspections?

Not buying it.
 

Hoopspur

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It’s not scatter gun though and the lighting doesn’t clash. It’s all RGB (can cycle through the spectrum) so can be set to whatever the club chooses. However, it is easy to forget but you’re seeing it in the commissioning phase, it’s not running a specific pattern because the stadium isn’t hosting anything and has not been handed over to the club.
In addition the colours you see on screen here and elsewhere will not look as it does in real life and up close in any case. I’m sure quite a lot of thought will have gone into something that would be seen as fundamental.
 

absolute bobbins

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In addition the colours you see on screen here and elsewhere will not look as it does in real life and up close in any case. I’m sure quite a lot of thought will have gone into something that would be seen as fundamental.
Excellent points, especially the designing of the lighting scheme, it’s not a load of Christmas tree lights on a timer. It’s also not like it’s being recorded on a 8K Red camera, it’s glorified CCTV.
 

JCRD

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It’s not scatter gun though and the lighting doesn’t clash. It’s all RGB (can cycle through the spectrum) so can be set to whatever the club chooses. However, it is easy to forget but you’re seeing it in the commissioning phase, it’s not running a specific pattern because the stadium isn’t hosting anything and has not been handed over to the club.

You are right but what I meant was the indoor lighting would bleed through to the LED lighting and clash... as for the lighting colour, I appreciate there are so many colours they can select based on the event etc...

Ill wait to see the finished article as no doubt it would be impressive but from a layman such as myself im only trying to imagine what it would look like rather than knowing what it would look like.
 

chrissivad

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Have we seen any images/videos of the lights on from ground level?

Could be less bleeding from the lights behind from a lower angle.
 

ajspurs

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I personally love the lighting and how its somewhat bit part around the exterior. It means the exterior design is still very much visible and prominent.

I mean the Allianz Arena for example can look cool but that's just due to every inch of something that big being lit up so well. When the lights are off, it just looks like some big hot air balloon and kind of ugly IMO. I like how our lighting system allows the architecture to still shine through.
 

we_all_loved_freund

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We haven’t seen the whole roof lit up yet, along with the lighting on the cladding. IMO the roof and cladding completely lit up would be way too much. I think the full roof and sporadic cladding lighting will look really good together.
 

worcestersauce

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Jan 23, 2006
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It's great seeing the lighting on the photos but now imagine walking up the high road to the ground on a big CL night game with all that light show going on, impressive or what.
 

punky

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But if Palace win we get more time to get the stadium signed off.

And I think delays have dragged on so long now that it wouldn't matter if the first fixture is an evening kick off or not. Most of the familiarisation events have been done at night.
 

chrissivad

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slartibartfast

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Other large buildings have similarly complex systems, but a project of this size would have a bespoke specification and software designed to suit it.

The trigger for the problems here seems to have been incorrect wiring, whether incorrectly designed, incorrectly supplied or incorrectly installed we do not yet know. But it's obvious by now that the whole elaborate system has been beset by errors. That suggests multiple contractors at fault, or a failure of supervision by whoever at Mace was in charge of the alarm and evacuation systems.

We aren't going to know what went wrong and who was responsible until the post-completion claims and probably lawsuits have panned out, which will be a matter of years. What I do know is that these systems are bloody complicated and that much of it is recent technology. It's not about installing a trusty old fire alarm, that was my point.
Exactly. Incompetance.
Hooking a fire alarm up to everything you described IS bread and butter mate. Literally thousands of builds across the uk alone have them. You know that.
The point is you dont/shouldn't even try installing an untested prototype system on a build thats completion time is critical unless you're an idiot. Or unless you want to risk seeing a cataclysmic cluster fuck like we just have. Its idiotic.
Its not about installing a trusty old fire alarm system its about installing something you know is gonna bloody work and be finished on time which it would have been had they not tried being fkin clever.
However you dress it up mate its a total fk up of epic proportions.
Not aimed at you but saying there are always balls ups on jobs of this scale shouldnt give a Design engineer the license to go get creative and try installing something they are not 100% sure actually fkin works!!! Especially a critical safety system.
If it was PIR flush sensor for the urinals thats a different matter but come on, this was a total cock up.
How anyone can try and defend this balls up is beyond me (again not aimed at you).
 

worcestersauce

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Exactly. Incompetance.
Hooking a fire alarm up to everything you described IS bread and butter mate. Literally thousands of builds across the uk alone have them. You know that.
The point is you dont/shouldn't even try installing an untested prototype system on a build thats completion time is critical unless you're an idiot. Or unless you want to risk seeing a cataclysmic cluster fuck like we just have. Its idiotic.
Its not about installing a trusty old fire alarm system its about installing something you know is gonna bloody work and be finished on time which it would have been had they not tried being fkin clever.
However you dress it up mate its a total fk up of epic proportions.
Not aimed at you but saying there are always balls ups on jobs of this scale shouldnt give a Design engineer the license to go get creative and try installing something they are not 100% sure actually fkin works!!! Especially a critical safety system.
If it was PIR flush sensor for the urinals thats a different matter but come on, this was a total cock up.
How anyone can try and defend this balls up is beyond me (again not aimed at you).
To be fair I think it does work and will work it just wasn't put in correctly which technically could have been done with any system, I mean running the wrong cable isn't really something you'd expect whatever the installation.
 

slartibartfast

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To be fair I think it does work and will work it just wasn't put in correctly which technically could have been done with any system, I mean running the wrong cable isn't really something you'd expect whatever the installation.
Well it should bloody work they've had long enough!
The point is would these problems have been avoided had we gone with a system we know works?
Sure you can fk up the installation of anything if you try hard enough.
 

worcestersauce

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Well it should bloody work they've had long enough!
The point is would these problems have been avoided had we gone with a system we know works?
Sure you can fk up the installation of anything if you try hard enough.
It may be that an old fashioned system may have taken less time to sort out if it's installation had been completely buggered up I grant you but I'd guess you'd be unlikely to choose a system based on that, you'd assume the people running the cables had at least half a fucking brain.
Don't get me wrong, I'm as pissed off as you and I hope we eventually identify exactly who is responsible and get the bastard.
 

Westmorlandspur

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Encouraging update on TFC from a source who has high up connections in the club.
Says 98% of the tests ok. Will be fully signed off on retests of the other 2%. Emergency services signed off.
If we get past Dortmund we will play CL in the stadium this season.
Believe what you will but I prefer to be optimistic.
COYS
 
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