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coys200

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The biggest mistake Arsenal made was bad timing! They marketed the flats at Highbury right into the teeth of the financial crash. Buyers had deserted the market and their anticipated capital receipts didn't materialise for 1-2 years after they had expected, which delayed their ability to refinance their residual stadium debt. I live locally and I work in housing development, so I'm familiar with what went on.

I agree that our Phase 3 will be procured as a separate project - the fact that it doesn't even have detailed planning consent says as much - but the club will still be looking toward its share of the profits on the housing to reduce the residual debt on the stadium. They just won't be counting exclusively on it. Once burned, etc.

I think Arsenal were in trouble even before the project was finished. They had to extend the loan halfway through just to finish the build. But yeah their timing was shocking lol. That’s why it’s so infuriating when you constantly here the two projects compared they are nothing alike. Yeah agree on phase 3, I don’t think it’s anywhere written into the repayment of the debt plan. But something that will just be a bonus if/when it comes to fruition. Honestly I just really hope we spend decent money this summer just to put to bed the comparisons with the emirates.
 

spursfan77

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I think Arsenal were in trouble even before the project was finished. They had to extend the loan halfway through just to finish the build. But yeah their timing was shocking lol. That’s why it’s so infuriating when you constantly here the two projects compared they are nothing alike. Yeah agree on phase 3, I don’t think it’s anywhere written into the repayment of the debt plan. But something that will just be a bonus if/when it comes to fruition. Honestly I just really hope we spend decent money this summer just to put to bed the comparisons with the emirates.

What’s more infuriating is that we let them off the hook and into the champions league ourselves at least twice. There was itk both when lasagnegate happened and when we blew the 11 point lead under Redknapp that they would have been in serious financial difficulties without the champions league money they got on both those occasions.
 

bubble07

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It was in this thread around the time of the announcement of the first game. I think it might even have been the THST trust notes. I'm not 100% sure on the exact figures, but the 1000/6000 ratio would marry up to what they used to do before with the Bronze/Lilywhite memberships at the old stadium.
I think someone also mentioned that there was a slightly higher amount of members tickets available now then there used to be even with the increase in ST numbers.

Either that or I'm crazy and just imagined it all (y)

So 43,000 season ticket holders, 1,000 Hotpsur +, 6000 Hotdpur, 4,000 away fans = 54,000.

What about the other 8,000??? General sale and corporate??
 

dagraham

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So 43,000 season ticket holders, 1,000 Hotpsur +, 6000 Hotdpur, 4,000 away fans = 54,000.

What about the other 8,000??? General sale and corporate??

To be pedantic I think there are only 3,000 away fans, and roughly 7-8k corporate.

I think the end result was about 8k GA tickets for non ST holders. So I very much doubt there will be any games that go to general sale ( at least not next season). Although you have to factor in there will probably be a decent amount that get sold on the ticket exchange.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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Spurs stadium repayments is almost £50 million a year – but the increase in matchday income is even bigger”


https://offthepitch.com/a/spurs-sta...ion-year-increase-matchday-income-even-bigger

I don't think the numbers quoted here, really support some of the optimism for increasing the transfer budget.

The article effectively points out we will increase revenues by about £55M/year, and we will incur additional expenses of £50M/year - leaving a net bump of £5M/year

That might buy Sissoko's left leg...

But, it really underscores how important the naming right are - which might add another £20M/year. And, CL, which added over £50M last season, and will be even more this season.
 

coys200

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I don't think the numbers quoted here, really support some of the optimism for increasing the transfer budget.

The article effectively points out we will increase revenues by about £55M/year, and we will incur additional expenses of £50M/year - leaving a net bump of £5M/year

That might buy Sissoko's left leg...

But, it really underscores how important the naming right are - which might add another £20M/year. And, CL, which added over £50M last season, and will be even more this season.

Again you’ve forgotten NFL and 16 non football events etc etc.
 

Lilbaz

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The significance of the increased turnover is in wages, not transfer fees. A well-run club (and FFP) would require wages not to exceed 52%-55% of turnover. Obviously, a big increase in our turnover will raise the ceiling of our overall salaries bill.

But the significance of the article that @ValenciaYid linked earlier is that our repayments on the capital cost should be manageable within our increased turnover. That's unlikely to result in increased transfer fees across the board, but it does signify that the new stadium won't reduce or harm our ability to compete in the transfer market, compared to our status over the past few years.

We don't blast huge transfer fees about because it isn't the club's primary policy for player recruitment. Not because we can't, because we don't. When there's an expensive player whom Pochettino and Levy think has potential for improvement and the right character, we pay: Aurier, Sanchez and Sissoko being the obvious examples.

I'm not expecting any major changes to transfer policy as a result of the new stadium, not for years and not as long as we are managed by Pochettino. But I am looking forward to being able to retain key players by offering competitive salaries.

We got aurier and sanchez because we sold walker. Our net spend has been low for years ballancing buys with sales. Don't see that changing for a while yet.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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I don't think the numbers quoted here, really support some of the optimism for increasing the transfer budget.

The article effectively points out we will increase revenues by about £55M/year, and we will incur additional expenses of £50M/year - leaving a net bump of £5M/year

That might buy Sissoko's left leg...

But, it really underscores how important the naming right are - which might add another £20M/year. And, CL, which added over £50M last season, and will be even more this season.

True but people forget that these repayments won't last forever and once they are paid off the club get an extra £50m a season without lifting a finger.

So basically the new stadium instantly generates an extra c£5m a season and when the debts are done it generates a further £50m so it's win win. We have a nice kick up followed by an even bigger one later on down the line.

What people also forget is how much the had spent of its own profits, deducting external loans etc between 2008-2017, which I believe is roughly £343m.

£343m across 10 seasons where our profits have been pumped into infrastructure builds. That's pretty much a decade of all gate receipts being used on the build which in theory is roughly the same we'll have to pay back for the next 10-15 years at the rumoured £50m a season.

The difference is now we have double the matchday revenue that will come into the club so in theory, based on our last 10 seasons where we have been using an average of £34.3m of our profits on CAPEX we will now be making £100m on revenue with £45- £50m going on loans to pay off for infrastructure builds.

The club overnight shifts from having no matchday revenue to spend over the last 10 years to having £55m after all loans paid etc, with a further £50m 10-15 years down the line. It's a huge milestone and it really is the beginning of phase 2. Another decade down the line we'll see our gate receipts double again so a new era financially will come into play. The evolution of our club has taken huge steps literally overnight. Fair play to the club for their vision and making it happen.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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Again you’ve forgotten NFL and 16 non football events etc etc.
Again, you have over-estimated the revenue that will bring in...

NFL are leasing the stadium - and with ticket revenue of about £6M per match, I would put the lease payments between £1-1.5M per game - so add another £5M to the revenue. The non-NFL events will probably take in less than £5M combined - those events won't be able to charge the same average price, so won't pay the same rates to rent the stadium.

These events are better than nothing - but they are not going to transfer Spurs into the elite revenue category. Regular Champions league will deliver far more revenue than the uptick from the stadium.

Now - the stadium, the hotel, and all of the events, will help with plans to regenerate the area, as it attracts more people on a regular basis, and opens up opportunities for local businesses to take advantage.
 

coys200

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Again, you have over-estimated the revenue that will bring in...

NFL are leasing the stadium - and with ticket revenue of about £6M per match, I would put the lease payments between £1-1.5M per game - so add another £5M to the revenue. The non-NFL events will probably take in less than £5M combined - those events won't be able to charge the same average price, so won't pay the same rates to rent the stadium.

These events are better than nothing - but they are not going to transfer Spurs into the elite revenue category. Regular Champions league will deliver far more revenue than the uptick from the stadium.

Now - the stadium, the hotel, and all of the events, will help with plans to regenerate the area, as it attracts more people on a regular basis, and opens up opportunities for local businesses to take advantage.

There was an article with DC where she is quoted as saying that they expect to make £2-3 from each of the non football events. They were talking about stuff like e sports that they would promote hence keeping the lion share of revenue. I think it’s you that’s underestimated the revenue. They haven’t built a retractable pitch for an extra £5m a year. Another consideration is all the event space. There are 15-20 corporate event spaces. Just like that big conference that was announced. All that stuff adds up.
 

SirHarryHotspur

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I've a kinda similar question to yours, I've flights and train booked for my son and me for the Everton game ,the train is from Stansted to Tottenham Hale.I realise you can get the tube to seven sisters then overground to WHL, looking on Google maps it looks about the same distance to the lane from both Tottenham Hale and seven sisters, is it ? and if it is would any of you advise for/against walking the journey ?

When WHL was open the Stansted Express from Liverpool St on matchdays used to stop at Northumberland park don't know if it did coming in the other direction but if it does get off at Northumberland Pk and walk, if it doesn't stop then at Tottenham Hale just cross platforms and get a northbound train to NP . If you want to walk it's about a quarter of a mile shorter from the Hale than SS , should be OK walking expect there will be hundreds doing the same.
 

jackson

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Just out of curiosity, where are the tickets you got
South stand, however there was only two sections Central there with any seats, I think one either side and then maybe two in the North stand. There were at most 20 seats in each of those sections when I got in...
 
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