Newcastle Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[spurs-r-us]

What did he say? Haven't heard his post match

Essentially nothing different to what Sherwood said after his last match. Sorry...we were poor...I can't believe it...I am disappointed...we were on holiday...sorry etc. Its all about who is delivering the message.

 

[Sweetsman]

Failure is an abstract concept. I agree we have improved, but ultimately this season will be remembered as the season we ultimately failed. We cant say we finished 3rd - 'big success!' - and ignore the context of what transpired in the last month or how the season played out.

Not that I am saying we should be jumping off bridges, there is a ALOT of positives to come from this season and to look forward to, and in a few weeks I will be chomping at the bit to see our boys have another crack at it.

But right now, I reserve the right to have a fucking strop, because I have just seen us get humiliate to a relegated side and Arsenal pip us at the post in a race that was almost impossible to lose.

I can't and won't argue with that. I am disappointed and annoyed with the team for today's performance. I think that questions do need to be asked of some players, including Lloris. Dembele and Alli were badly missed. I think we know the first eleven, more or less. The others are less certain of their places, except for those in their first seasons.

 

[ilikeost]

Lol... It's the same shit every season. "We will get better", "future is bright". My ass. It will stay the same. "We got CL" I don't give a shit about getting dumped out in the group stages of a competition we won't win.

 

[Hugues De Pauens]

We got away with having a threadbare squad due to a remarkable lack of injuries and suspensions. Losing Alli and especially Dembele exposed this; we would have been in trouble earlier if either of them - or Kane - had been unavailable during the season.

Yes the last four games were disappointing but overall it is more than we could have hoped for. But we need 17 players good enough to start for next season since we cannot play a weakened team in the Champions League and hope to do any good. Which would mean 4 or 5 new signings - can we really expect that?

Whatever, Ryan Mason, Tommy Carroll, Nabil Bentaleb - thanks for your efforts and good luck elsewhere.

 

[Sweetsman]

Essentially nothing different to what Sherwood said after his last match. Sorry...we were poor...I can't believe it...I am disappointed...we were on holiday...sorry etc. Its all about who is delivering the message.

Except that he included himself in what happened.

 

[whitelanefever]

I'm oddly comfortable with the position we're in. The only time I ever truly believed that we might win the title was the week before West Ham and Arsenal. We bottled both matches. Being a Spurs fan is all about disappointment, I feel like I've kind of accepted that.

Exactly.. you have to have a sense of humour if your going to support Spurs

 

[Joeyboey]

What did he say? Haven't heard his post match

Worst day as manager. Openly admitted that something hasn't been right since the draw with Chelsea. That the players were already on holiday and that he won't be able to look at his wife and children in the eye tonight.
Passion and honesty right there, can't say fairer than that! Nice to hear him say what we can all see. Gives hope going forward.

 

[Jamturk]

This an endless debate which will never be resolved. Position in the table or points total.

Many will say the position in the table is defined by the quality of the league (which has obviously been much lower this season). Many will say that it's points totals which show signs of progression.

We consistently get about 70 points. It just so happens that this year 70 points gets you much higher up the table than usual because some normally good teams have been shit.

Or some shit teams have been better, the finances are levelling things out surely.

Everton turned down £50m for Stones for Gods sake

 

[shaneyboy]

It's more than that and you know it.

Is it though? The majority of the posts I'm reading are of the 'we'll never live this down' kind and quite frankly who cares?! No control over what happens on that pitch.

 

[spurs-r-us]

The Chelsea draw ripped our hearts out, but it was of our own making.
I think we will only get better, we've got Poch on a 5 year deal, we've got a group of players that can deliver when they've got their heads in the game BUT:
our best attacking MF is 19
Our top scorer is 23
The whole team has an average age of 24?
Take an honest step back and have a look at the big picture.
They are PEOPLE, just people. Despite having a really rubbish run-in we still finished 20 points above last year's champions and 5 points above a CL semi-finalist.
We all wanted it so much, that we've allowed ourselves to forget that this was the first season where we could observe what this team CAN do. Next year we will see them do it from the get go.
We have the enticement of CL and a new stadium being built - players will come.
The future is bright.

I really want to believe, but the raw numbers and bizarre seasons from Chelsea, Man City (+ the inevitable Liverpool improvement under Klopp) mean that I'll be holding fire. We needed one point from our last two games to do something that our fans have been desperate for, and the players simply didn't care. That says something. Once they realised they weren't winning a medal - they went to sleep.

 

[Springerding]

It's possible to not obsess with Arse (or any other named team) and still expect a winning mentality, which was, it seems, absent today.
For me, and others have said this too, we really really (did I say really?) need an up and at em driving captain. Today (and in recent weeks) the team has lost its teamness. Just because we lose a couple of players, however talented, shouldn't mean that we fall apart as a unit. Leicester perhaps reminds us of that. And a good vocal captain would help to remedy that.

I think you should use every edge you have got in your favour to motivate, Show your fight, your passion, relate it to the players. I would hazard a guess that the pre match team talk at Chelsea was led by JT (and maybe Gus too) and included we must not let these bastards win the league etc etc using our two clubs rivalry to motivate .. so I agree, we are a long time waiting for decent captain material (which should be in the middle for me).

Seems to me that when the pressure has been on and we needed some bite, determination and to show some grit we imploded which dosnt bode well for next season when L/pool, M/ure and the chavs will all be better than they were this season. We will have to step up again and learn the lessons from this run in.

 

[rossdapep]

I was pretty inconsolable but Poch's post match comments were honest, fairly brutal and very human.

I'm not happy, none of us are, but I'm pleased to have him as our manager.

We've got the youngest squad in the league and as a result have ended up with the steepest learning curve.

If there's a silver lining to any of this - its a reminder that despite finishing 3rd, we desperately need to improve our squad this summer. Would rather receive a hammering now than on Sept 1st...

Great post! We are disappointed to finish 3rd, and it seems like everyone at the club is determined to improve on this position.

 

[alfie103]

Except that the sides at the bottom have been shit. Aston Villa have been one of the worst sides ever. Newcastle and Sunderland have been a joke until the last couple of months. Norwich can't even win a game when they go ahead 3 times. Palace took 13 games before they got a win in 2016.

The bottom has been shit, as shown by the fact that they didn't get any more points in the relegation zone than clubs who go down usually do. The difference is Chelsea were shit, and all the top teams lost s few more and drew a lot more than they usually do.

The quality has got lower because the teams that represent real quality, the teams at the top, have been shit.

They drew or lost those games because other teams are better than before. La Liga and Bundesliga can't be up to scratch considering what liverpool did to their 4th place team and 2nd place teams respectively.

 

[Tom Pops]

Worst day as manager. Openly admitted that something hasn't been right since the draw with Chelsea. That the players were already on holiday and that he won't be able to look at his wife and children in the eye tonight.
Passion and honesty right there, can't say fairer than that! Nice to hear him say what we can all see. Gives hope going forward.

I don't think he was at fault today, there is only so much you can do with the bench we've got - and that's not a fat lot.

 

[Sweetsman]

Very true, some team captains may just be the most "Senior" player at the club - And a real leader doesn't have to wear an armband to lead a team, imo we lack real leaders.

We need players, who on matter where they are can think through the game. That comes with maturity. Today was the time one would have expected Vertonghen to calm people around him, but he did not and I wasn't surprised.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

In a season where we were the only team to push the champions, I feel nothing but pride for this young team despite a horrible last few weeks.

The pressure and disappointment clearly got to us in the end but I'm certain lessons will be learned. Onto next season and Champions League football again.

Wouldn't have predicted that at the start of the season. COYS!

 

[worcestersauce]

Lol... It's the same shit every season. "We will get better", "future is bright". My ass. It will stay the same. "We got CL" I don't give a shit about getting dumped out in the group stages of a competition we won't win.

But actually, we do get better every season.

 

[thinktank]

The Chelsea draw ripped our hearts out, but it was of our own making.
I think we will only get better, we've got Poch on a 5 year deal, we've got a group of players that can deliver when they've got their heads in the game BUT:
our best attacking MF is 19
Our top scorer is 23
The whole team has an average age of 24?
Take an honest step back and have a look at the big picture.
They are PEOPLE, just people. Despite having a really rubbish run-in we still finished 20 points above last year's champions and 5 points above a CL semi-finalist.
We all wanted it so much, that we've allowed ourselves to forget that this was the first season where we could observe what this team CAN do. Next year we will see them do it from the get go.
We have the enticement of CL and a new stadium being built - players will come.
The future is bright.

Mate, was willing to let this post ride, but reading it and looking at that fuuuuuucking avatar....now all it's done is wound me right up.

 

[thinktank]

Is it though? The majority of the posts I'm reading are of the 'we'll never live this down' kind and quite frankly who cares?! No control over what happens on that pitch.

Enjoy the forum, mate.

 

[haslemereyid]

I would rather they did to be honest. Kane needs to learn to stop playing for himself but for the team.
His greediness at times has cost us points (just 1 assist all season).
Don't mind him shooting when theres nothing else on but not when there are teammates in far better positions.
For some reason he's failing to understand that the occasional pass would make him less predictable and harder to defend against. Poch needs to get that overly selfish streak he's developed out of him for next season.

i don't agree with this - how many of kanes goals this year were scored from 'selfish ' positions - lots in my book

just in the past few weeks or so would you rather him have passed against the arse rather than lash it in from an unlikely angle or lay it off against stoke - i will take a selfish centre forward scoring 25 pl goals every year against a team player welbeckesk scoring half the amount

to me one of our biggest failings is not creating enough of the type of opportunities that kane scored against chelski - do that and we are half way there

Criticising harry kane when he has just followed up an unbelievable first full season with 25 pl league goals is just off the clock in stupidity to me