Newham council in trouble maybe....?

Discussion in 'The New Stadium' started by sunnydelight786, Apr 13, 2011.

  1. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Just call me Baz

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    Also what is Borris willing to give to not have a court case hanging over the Olympics, which is 4 months away.
    Also it is a bit of real estate that cost £500m.
     
  2. Rocksuperstar

    Rocksuperstar just a child getting older...

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    4 months away? :think:

    Did i doze off for about a year? Man, work are going to be so pissed with me :shifty:
     
  3. Booney

    Booney Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Nobody thinks anybody is going to turn around and give us the stadium now. However, we invested money, time and energies into a process that was both flawed and unfair so we want to recoup something.
     
  4. striebs

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    So you want the taxpayer to reimburse Tottenham for a risk they factored in before deciding to make a bid ?

    Is anyone else getting a bit tired of all this bailing out nonsense and companies doing business by the threat of legal action ?

    Why exactly was the process flawed and unfair ? Just cos Daniel Levy couldn't get his own way ?

    Hope we get stung with massive great legal feels for this .
     
  5. Rocksuperstar

    Rocksuperstar just a child getting older...

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    I'm obviously no legal bod here, but we've spent money putting together a bid - there are suspicions that the process was flawed from the start and we end up with nothing for our money. We are obviously bummed about losing that much cash, but simple questions about the process are being ignored when it should be entirely transparent.

    If it turns out we never had a prayer of getting the stadium, we wouldn't have spent X million on trying, so if the process was crooked to the point where we were on a hiding to nothing yet were not made aware of the pre-exisiting opinions of the selection committee, Newham Councils willingness to offer financial assistance and the apparent buttering up of officials in particular areas by our rival bidder.

    With so many apparently unfair factors now becoming visible and no-one answering the questions they raise, surely it'd be irresponsible of us to just let that money go and accept that we've been conned and were nothing more than a side-mark to make the process complete in it's details?
     
  6. sloth

    sloth Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't seem like we're taking anyone to court, we just want to have a look at some of the processes behind the bidding process to be confident nothing untoward went on. Sadly it looks like Newham are refusing to talk to us leaving us little option but to apply for the court to force them to come clean.

    Personally I think it's pretty odd that Newham haven't just complied with our request and then it would all be over with. Unless they've something to hide of course...
     
  7. brasil_spur

    brasil_spur SC Supporter

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    No we want Tottenham to be reimbursed if indeed the whole decision process was rigged in West Hams favour to start with, rather than it being a proper democratic process.

    Not really, it's how the world has been operating for the best part of a hundred years now. Without legal consequences companies and governments could do whatever they pleased.

    Well that's what we're trying to find out here. Presumably the above mentioned 39 gifts and lack of proper distribution of documents prior to a decision being taken, if both true, would make the process flawed and unfair.

    Brilliant, what a great idea, let's hope our club looses money.... :roll:
     
  8. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Just call me Baz

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  9. Hoowl

    Hoowl Dr wHo(owl) Staff

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    Haringay are desperate to keep us so following this logic why don't newham want two football clubs in the borough?
     
  10. $hoguN

    $hoguN Well-Known Member

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    Possibly as it would be detrimental to West Ham and alot of the council are West Ham fans
     
  11. worcestersauce

    worcestersauce "I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope

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    Historical, it always has been and it's not what the place is like it's how the council deals with it.

    The Mayor is a season ticket holder at West Ham, as are a number of local councillors(Haringey take note:evil:) and the gifts were the occasions when he accepted an invitaion from the board to hospitality drinks after games, nothing sinister in it but the Mayor was scrupulous in declaring every one something that some fair minded people may think he should be praised for not reprimanded.

    As I understand it the loan is underwritten by Gold and Sullivan personally.
     
  12. Wiener

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    I believe Levy wants to make sure that the commitment to keep the athletics track is legally binding. Otherwise there would be nothing stopping West Ham from implementing Levy's plan a few years down the road once the financial inviability of the current plan becomes clear. The reason why this is relevant to us is that an Abramovich II would find West Ham an attractive prospect and we would have another club in London with the more financial muscle than us as we struggle to increase capacity. Another good reason of course would be to stop Gold and Sullivan from making a killing.
     
  13. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Just call me Baz

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    I had previously wondered why Westfield had backed the West Ham/Newham bid for the Olympic Stadium. It didn't seem on the surface to affect them either way, as they could presumably bid for some of the construction work whoever won. It could also be claimed that a top Premiership club and entertainment consortium would provide the higher footfall that is considered essential for the success of their Stratford development - as opposed to a potentially Championship club and athletics.

    However, they have got the nod for a large casino in one of their malls - involving no further regeneration for the area, and presumably very much lower costs to them - as opposed to the huge, £250million regeneration proposed by a competitor for Great Eastern Quays. So Westfield's backing of West Ham/Newham Council now makes more sense, although having said that, they couldn't have known about the decision in advance as it was apparently taken in an open and transparent process behind closed doors.

    'This is London' describes the rival bids in more detail:
    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...e-challenged-over-stratford-city-mall-site.do
     
  15. Hoowl

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    London 2012 Olympics: Tottenham's stadium row threatens to derail 2017 World Championships bid


    There are growing concerns within government that Tottenham Hotspur's legal challenges over the Olympic Stadium could derail London's chances of staging the World Athletics Championships for the second time in less than a year.
    [​IMG] Up in the air: the Olympic Stadium talks has been stalled by the Spurs legal challenge Photo: GETTY IMAGES [​IMG] By Paul Kelso 6:30AM BST 20 Apr 2011 Follow Paul Kelso on Twitter

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    Spurs and Leyton Orient are mounting a number of challenges to West Ham's selection as preferred bidder, a process that could delay a binding agreement over the Olympic Stadium into the autumn. If that is the case London may not be able to proceed with its bid for the 2017 World Athletics Championships, final bids for which have to be lodged at the end of August. The legal challenges have already stalled negotiations between the Olympic Park Legacy Company and West Ham, which were scheduled to be completed by the end of last month. The potential impact on an athletics bid is a cause of irritation in government, and there is a suspicion that Tottenham may use the issue as leverage in their search for financial assistance for a new ground.

    Tottenham insist they are simply keeping their options open and pursuing all avenues to ensure the club can move to the new ground that is crucial to their development. As well as appealing against the Stratford decision, they are examining ways of making their original stadium development at Northumberland Park more affordable, and looking at alternative sites in Haringey.


    Telegraph Sport can disclose that a site near Tottenham Hale station has emerged as the leading alternative location, with sources suggesting it is being looked at "very seriously". Crucially, the site has better transport links than White Hart Lane and the Northumberland Park site, with a Victoria Line tube station and overground rail links to the north. Last October, UK Athletics had to withdraw its bid for the 2015 World Championships because, had Tottenham been selected to take on the stadium, the running track would have been removed.

    Following West Ham's selection as preferred bidder by the Olympic Park, Legacy Company in February however, UKA focused on winning the 2017 event. Facing well-funded opposition from Doha, it has received government support, and held a series of meetings with International Association of Athletics Federations president Lamine Diack in London this month. UKA and the Government will not proceed with a bid unless they have legal certainty over the stadium, however, as the reputational damage of withdrawing would be too great. In 2001, Britain pulled out of hosting the 2005 event following the Picketts Lock fiasco – the Government withdrew its support for the £87million national athletics stadium – and there is no appetite for a repeat.

    The issue is particularly sensitive for Government as securing athletics' showpiece event would help justify the decision to award the stadium to West Ham, who, unlike Spurs, pledged to retain the running track. With doubts over the long-term viability of a football ground with a track, a meaningful athletics legacy would counter criticism of the process and the final decision. Any delay could also impact on the future ambitions of London 2012 chairman Lord Coe, who is expected to stand for election as IAAF president at some stage.

    Spurs are seeking judicial review of Newham Council's decision to lend West Ham £40 million for the stadium project, and are considering a similar challenge against OPLC, central government and London mayor Boris Johnson over the decision to select West Ham as preferred bidder. Orient have commenced judicial review proceedings against all four parties. Spurs chairman Daniel Levy has held discussions with sports minister Hugh Robertson over ways in which government might help the club, but meaningful talks may be harder to sustain with the threat of judicial review in the air. The prospect of causing political embarrassment is clearly a card Levy could play as he seeks to maintain pressure on Johnson to provide assistance for a new 60,000-seat stadium. Certainly there is resentment at White Hart Lane at the process. Levy believes that he was encouraged to bid by Johnson and understood Spurs had an even chance of success, only to find that the process was weighted against them.

    Spurs believe that the regeneration benefits of a new stadium development mean they ought to receive financial assistance, and can point to Newham's loan to West Ham, secured at preferential government rates, as evidence of the support they have not had from Haringey. The club, backed by local MP David Lammy, are pressing for Tottenham to be declared an Enterprise Zone by Johnson, a move that could open up tax and financial incentives for the Northumberland Park development. The benefits may not be as great to the club hopes however as Enterprise Zones are intended to encourage new business rather than create new opportunities for existing concerns.

    Tottenham and Orient are not the only ones challenging Newham Council over its decisions relating to regeneration of the borough. A casino developer on Tuesday launched a judicial review of a separate decision. City and Eastern Limited was one of three bidders for a casino licence in Newham but after a tender process that C&E argues was opaque, the licence was awarded to Aspers. A council spokesman said: "The decision-making process was robust and fair."
     
  16. michaelden

    michaelden Knight of the Fat Fanny

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    surely there is so much smoke surrounding the OPLC and Newham that they must call the tender award null & void and restart the process in a more open & accountable manner?
     
  17. Rocksuperstar

    Rocksuperstar just a child getting older...

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    It is looking more and more spurious a process the longer it drags on, huh? Seems everyone and their wife has a valid question to ask, yet get no answer.

    If the process was entirely fair and involved no slight of hand or tomfoolery then why are the powers that were involved being so coy about it all?
     
  18. michaelden

    michaelden Knight of the Fat Fanny

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    yip. I think that this will go 1 of 2 ways, it gets retendered, or most likely, a closed door committee look at the tender process and green flag it saying all was above board
     
  19. Gedi

    Gedi Member

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    Aren't they the only two ways it can go?
     
  20. worcestersauce

    worcestersauce "I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope

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    Interesting sentence here:-

    "Any delay could also impact on the future ambitions of London 2012 chairman Lord Coe, who is expected to stand for election as IAAF president at some stage."

    As I said at the time of the decision, to ensure his future senior position in the Olympic organisation Lord Coe had to deliver the running track in the stadium going forward, he did but he did it at the expense of athletics in this country.

    Still it's nice to know that every delay puts back the next possible world championships again which means it puts back the day when West Ham can demolish the stadium and rebuild it without the running track as they have always intended.
     

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