Ziegler. :wink:
was absolutely hounded by people on this site as was Lee - when if truth be known they are two of the best fullbacks we've had in recent years.
That's a ridiculous exaggeration, mate. In the season we should have finished 4th, I can remember the Sunderland one and the Arsenal one as the stand-out mistakes that were definitely his fault. Yeah he gives the ball away, but so did King, Dawson, Lee, Davids, Jenas, Carrick, Lennon, Tainio, Defoe, Keane, Mido - just about everyone. Especially that **** Ziegler. :wink:
Stalteri was absolutely hounded by people on this site as was Lee - when if truth be known they are two of the best fullbacks we've had in recent years. And with those to in place, we had one of the least leakiest season's we had.
So despite the [misguided - IMO] view that he's a bit of a lame duck, he's actually been a very astute purchase (Bosman) and nothing but a complete professional and faithful servant to the club.
Which is surely the most important feature of being a defender - especially a full back. Positioning. That and knowing when to get rid of it and knowing when to try and play a pass. Chimbonda notoriously hangs on to the ball for far too long and has easily made more 'marking' and 'positional' errors that have cost us goals than Stalteri - I'd suggest it was close to double.
I don't want that from my full-back though. I want him to be able to stop the opposition putting balls in the box, being able to cut inside with ease and generally being unmarked.
The rest is repeating what I've already covered. He is a cult hero - rightly so. He came up with that critical goal that gave us bragging rights; and is more often than not a 6 to 8 out of 10 player rather than Pascal 3 to 9 out of 10.
I agree.
If you're talking about Ziegler even being remotely close to a good football player for us - then you are sadly, sadly wrong.
Ziegler was awesome!
You're either being a WUM or a bit of an idiot for idiot's sake.
He wasn't. He got farmed out. It was a good thing.
Anyway - he's not here now and this is about out back line tonight which I think will resemble:
Bale --- Chimbonda --- Dawson --- Stalteri
Sorry, replace 'will' with 'should'.
Ziegler was awesome when we beat Everton 5-2 on New Years Day.
Now you want Bale at RB and Stalteri at LB? You've really lost it now.
That's a ridiculous exaggeration, mate. In the season we should have finished 4th, I can remember the Sunderland one and the Arsenal one as the stand-out mistakes that were definitely his fault. Yeah he gives the ball away, but so did King, Dawson, Lee, Davids, Jenas, Carrick, Lennon, Tainio, Defoe, Keane, Mido - just about everyone. Especially that **** Ziegler. :wink:
YPL is quality. Hardly ever gets beaten and his reading of the game is exceptional. I will agree he is our best LB in recent times. Salty is at best, an extremely average RB. It's only cos we've had shit full backs throughout the years that he may seem better than what we've had, which he probably isn't anyway.Stalteri was absolutely hounded by people on this site as was Lee - when if truth be known they are two of the best fullbacks we've had in recent years. And with those to in place, we had one of the least leakiest season's we had.
Agree.So despite the [misguided - IMO] view that he's a bit of a lame duck, he's actually been a very astute purchase (Bosman) and nothing but a complete professional and faithful servant to the club.
You don't want Chimbonda to be great in the air? You don't want him helping out in defence during the numerous set pieces we give away during a match? Positioning is important, but Salty might be good at staying put but unfortunately it doesn't mean he's good when he's there. I don't fear too much when someone's running at Chim, whereas i always feel Salty will be beaten.Which is surely the most important feature of being a defender - especially a full back. Positioning. That and knowing when to get rid of it and knowing when to try and play a pass. Chimbonda notoriously hangs on to the ball for far too long and has easily made more 'marking' and 'positional' errors that have cost us goals than Stalteri - I'd suggest it was close to double.
I don't want that from my full-back though. I want him to be able to stop the opposition putting balls in the box, being able to cut inside with ease and generally being unmarked.
Ziegler was awful.
End of.
Fact.
No other opinion counts.
You really don't need to be that much of a twat.
Even in the game I mentioned? I think not.
Dean Marney was better than him in that game. Where's he again?
Flatters to deceive?
I reckon Lee should start rb, reckon it will be a back 4 as I think Aab like to play down the wings, would consider playing zoko at rb and thudd in the middle.