Norwich Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[Bobbins]

No not at all, but Soldado needs at least 5 chances in a game to get a goal. That's not a natural finisher in my books.

No, he doesn't, he's just in terrible form and can't hit a barn door at the moment - six months of a season does not re-write an entire career.

Being a natural finisher is literally what he's been famous for his entire career. The whole point of bringing him in was to finish some of the shitload of chances we used to create. He's always been known as a deadly finisher who only needs a half-chance for a goal. I'm afraid your opinion of him this season couldn't be further from the truth. Why do you think he's looking so frustrated with himself? Even he can't understand why he suddenly can't finish chances he used to score in his sleep.

Not only has he hit the worst form of his life, but we barely even create chances anymore either. And we have a legendary determination to avoid playing any players who are capable of creating chances now as well. That's why this season is such a joke.

 

[LiamJM10]

No not at all, but Soldado needs at least 5 chances in a game to get a goal. That's not a natural finisher in my books.

If you're being close minded and judging him solely on his Spurs form, then I'd agree.

Also will Erkisen offer any more protection to the midfield from a defensive point of view than either of Ade or Soldado would if we play 4-4-2 really?

Personally I think with our current group of players we're better off employing Erkisen on the left - though in the long run like Modric he may need to come central to show his true potential and we certainly need a better LB to provide extra width (and don't get me started on our need to upgrade our defensive options at LB)

Eriksen's defensive work has been fine when on the left. Almost cutting inside and allowing Rose up the wing (he does get forward, albeit to poor effect sadly), leaving us with 3 in the middle, stifling the opponents.

 

[Shea]

Eriksen's defensive work has been fine when on the left. Almost cutting inside and allowing Rose up the wing (he does get forward, albeit to poor effect sadly), leaving us with 3 in the middle, stifling the opponents.

I dunno about that - from what I have seen he has done very little defensively (no more than Soldado or Ade anyway) and by his own and Sherwood's admission it is not a strong part of his game

I really don't see how his presence there offers us anymore defensive or CM protection when not in possession than when we play 4-4-2 as in my opinion and from his own mouth Eriksen offers little when tracking back to help the team defensively

That's not to say he shouldn't be in the team - he absoultely should for his attacking ability - but I disagree with the notion that his presence behind a loan striker will somehow make us more solid in the centre of the park as nothing I have seen has suggested he will be capable of producing a better defensive shift than either striker had we played 4-4-2 (not that I am suggesting we play 4-4-2 nor suggesting we shouldn't play Eriksen off a loan striker - just that I don't agree with the logic being presenting as to why we should do so in this instance)

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

I am not kicking the manager because of his second PL defeat. I am kicking him because of the quality of performances since he took over, our inept cup performances, my knowledge of his appointment, his ability as a coach, my own observations and the feedback I have been given.

I am trying to make sense of that . Honest.

I too miss the Barcaesque, swashbuckling style of AVB, just why he was fired i just do not know. Here's hoping that after "inept" CC performances and defeat away to Arsenal (who we usually brush to one side) leads to the decapitation of Sherwood. He's just no good, nay pitiful.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

TS has not made any difference in my estimation to where I think this squad is capable of going. We have had one decent performance since he arrived and that was at Newcastle. AVB was ripped apart for some of our performances and for me TS deserves similar criticism.

I don't know if LVG is the answer, but we do need a disciplinarian who will be respected by the players and one who can address the divide in the squad. AVB had a vision for the club, but could not implement it. We need someone who has a vision and who has the CV (read medals) to implement it.

Oh how the memory soon fades.

I cannot wait until someone compares victory at Man Ure this season as a setback compared to the performance manufactured by AVB a few weeks before on the Blue side of Manchester.

If there was ever a post indicating the absolute instant success required by deluded fans the above should be made post of the season.

To suggest that AVB should escape censure after the Citeh and Liverpool games is just plain stupid, and to suggest that Sherwood has not made any difference is stupefying. I guess he should have let Ade rot in the backwaters and persisted in that demigod of a striker known as The Soldier.

Two defeats in (i think thirteen PL games). Quite shocking i guess, fire the manager and hire another one for half a season, nay a third of one. It's bound to work.

 

[Revan1882]

No, he doesn't, he's just in terrible form and can't hit a barn door at the moment - six months of a season does not re-write an entire career.

Being a natural finisher is literally what he's been famous for his entire career. The whole point of bringing him in was to finish some of the shitload of chances we used to create. He's always been known as a deadly finisher who only needs a half-chance for a goal. I'm afraid your opinion of him this season couldn't be further from the truth. Why do you think he's looking so frustrated with himself? Even he can't understand why he suddenly can't finish chances he used to score in his sleep.

Not only has he hit the worst form of his life, but we barely even create chances anymore either. And we have a legendary determination to avoid playing any players who are capable of creating chances now as well. That's why this season is such a joke.

No he hasn't or Real wouldn't of sold him, yes in recent years he has had some good seasons. In a team where there is no pressure on him and that for me is this issue with Soldado. When the pressure is on like it is now, he doesn't have a calm head. When he was at Valencia he knew his team would be top 5 and that was okay with everyone there, they knew they couldn't challenge the top two. However before Valencia he was a 1 in 3 striker, which isn't bad but not great. At Valencia he did well don't get me wrong I think 1:2 roughly, but it doesn't matter what he did there all that matters is what he does at Tottenham. Helda Postiga was deadly in Spain or Portugal but couldn't do the same with us, so was Rebrov.
There is no point saying he "was" this great goal scorer as he isn't doing it now. I get your point about TS and him not playing creative players and agree, but Soldado has had the chances and blown them. So lets stop doing this "He was deadly" as that doesn't help us.

 

[spursbhoy67]

I am trying to make sense of that . Honest.

I too miss the Barcaesque, swashbuckling style of AVB, just why he was fired i just do not know. Here's hoping that after "inept" CC performances and defeat away to Arsenal (who we usually brush to one side) leads to the decapitation of Sherwood. He's just no good, nay pitiful.

Oh how the memory soon fades.

I cannot wait until someone compares victory at Man Ure this season as a setback compared to the performance manufactured by AVB a few weeks before on the Blue side of Manchester.

If there was ever a post indicating the absolute instant success required by deluded fans the above should be made post of the season.

To suggest that AVB should escape censure after the Citeh and Liverpool games is just plain stupid, and to suggest that Sherwood has not made any difference is stupefying. I guess he should have let Ade rot in the backwaters and persisted in that demigod of a striker known as The Soldier.

Two defeats in (i think thirteen PL games). Quite shocking i guess, fire the manager and hire another one for half a season, nay a third of one. It's bound to work.

I specifically said performances and not EPL results. In my opinion the performances have not been much better since TS took over. The results have improved but is that enough for us as fans? If that were the case then AVB would get more credit for last years record points haul but we would have to ignore the overall level of the performances.

Ade would have come in from the cold under any new manager. He would also have been forced to train with the kids under every manager I know. The likes of Fergie would never have allowed him to pull on a United shirt again. I know of an England international who had to train with the kids. The manager got fired and he came back into the team. This type of thing happens all the time. I wonder who Ade was confiding in when he was training on his own?

Instant success? I sat through games during the relegation season. I have watched us lose 5-0 at home to Arsenal, take two hammerings at Newcastle, lose 7-0 at Anfield, 8-2 v Derby, etc. I have seen us lose cup games to the likes of Cardiff City, Port Vale and Notts County in some of our most humiliating results ever. I may be opinionated but I am not deluded.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

I specifically said performances and not EPL results. In my opinion the performances have not been much better since TS took over. The results have improved but is that enough for us as fans? If that were the case then AVB would get more credit for last years record points haul but we would have to ignore the overall level of the performances.

Ade would have come in from the cold under any new manager. He would also have been forced to train with the kids under every manager I know. The likes of Fergie would never have allowed him to pull on a United shirt again. I know of an England international who had to train with the kids. The manager got fired and he came back into the team. This type of thing happens all the time. I wonder who Ade was confiding in when he was training on his own?

Including Redknapp. Did you know him as well?

I accept your point of view, and illusions of grandeur as well. Oh' and i saw Greaves play, wins' and losses galore and relegation and promotion, so does that mean my pain or opinion is any less than yours?

 

[spursbhoy67]

Including Redknapp. Did you know him as well?

I accept your point of view, and illusions of grandeur as well. Oh' and i saw Greaves play, wins' and losses galore and relegation and promotion, so does that mean my pain or opinion is any less than yours?

Gaz, I like and respect your posts as I like David Matzdorf's because you both put in some thought before you write. You don't post knee jerk emotional replies. You are also long time fans, so have seen the club play good football and bad. I think our shared experiences of THFC don't make us better fans than anyone else on here, but they do give us a broader perspective of the club's standing in the game.

HR would probably not have forced the player to train on his own because he is not one for formal rules. AVB was and is different and in time he may change, but he handled the situation as he saw fit because he was the manager at the time. We as fans might not have agreed with AVB, but I respected his right as first team manager to pick players based on whatever criteria he employed.

 

[Revan1882]

Gaz, I like and respect your posts as I like David Matzdorf's because you both put in some thought before you write. You don't post knee jerk emotional replies. You are also long time fans, so have seen the club play good football and bad. I think our shared experiences of THFC don't make us better fans than anyone else on here, but they do give us a broader perspective of the club's standing in the game.

HR would probably not have forced the player to train on his own because he is not one for formal rules. AVB was and is different and in time he may change, but he handled the situation as he saw fit because he was the manager at the time. We as fans might not have agreed with AVB, but I respected his right as first team manager to pick players based on whatever criteria he employed.

Didn't he do that with Bentley? Just asking

 

[Revan1882]

Suarez:

115 shots - 23 goals = an average of around 5 chances

Suarez:

115 shots - 23 goals = an average of around 5 chances to get a goal... So not a natural goal scorer then, gotcha

Okay Soldado 100 chances - 5 goals (including 4 pens)= Natural goal scorer, gotcha

 

[spursbhoy67]

Didn't he do that with Bentley? Just asking

Touche.

I have watched DB train. Lazy player. Wasted talent. Made his money, but was capable of so much more.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Didn't he do that with Bentley? Just asking

No.