Pav has a little of the Matthew Le Tissier about him

[Luka Lennon]

So you are saying I am wrong? Le Tiss isn't lazy?

And Pavs International manager is wrong about Pav being laid back?

And Pav has a weak shot?

Because that is all I am claiming.

OK I'll give you that one too but you also said Le Tiss didn't have much else but a great shot which is very wrong. Le Tiss was technically gifted and had great vision plus even his penos were quality I mean 48 out of 49 is quite unbelievable.

I'd compare him to Lampard only Lamps has a better work rate but Matt was technically better and just a special type of player.

 

[chinaman]

I'd consider Le Tiss a prototype of the modern striker; not the old fashioned British centre forward that relied on brute strength.

 

[chinaman]

To a certain extent, players like Alan Clarke and Frank Worthington were of similar mould before Le Tiss.

 

[gibbs131]

OK I'll give you that one too but you also said Le Tiss didn't have much else but a great shot which is very wrong. Le Tiss was technically gifted and had great vision plus even his penos were quality I mean 48 out of 49 is quite unbelievable.

I'd compare him to Lampard only Lamps has a better work rate but Matt was technically better and just a special type of player.

Lol. Okay Mr Nit Pick. Whatever gives you an excuse to vent on ole Gibbsy.

 

[Luka Lennon]

Lol. Okay Mr Nit Pick. Whatever gives you an excuse to vent on ole Gibbsy.

not nit picking about nothing fact is you vastly underrated Le Tissier

I could give a flying fook about ole gibbsy you're just a wee bit full of yourself for my liking :-|

 

[gibbs131]

not nit picking about nothing fact is you vastly underrated Le Tissier

I could give a flying fook about ole gibbsy you're just a wee bit full of yourself for my liking :-|

Where did I underrate Le Tiss? I said he scored a load of goals and was lazy and didnt have much else to his game. I mentioned his pens.

It was part of his charm, and his team/lazyness was what limited his England call ups. And Pavs laziness is limiting his Spurs future.

 

[Woody10]

we've given him a chance. All this he needs a good preseason and he played 18 month straight is a load of bollocks. Firstly he is a professional athelete and he is paid more in a week then most of us earn in a year, so he should be in peak condition.

Secondly, Henry and Pires played for about 48 months straight in the early 00's - Euro's, confed cup, world cup, confed cup etc.. and they still then went and had the invicible season.

Pav has been a major dissapiontment, surely you must agree?

I do not agree and the comment in bold is just stupid, just because he is paid alot of money does not mean he can be in peak condition, he is human!!

Pires and Henry had an extended break after the 2002 world cup cuz they were knocked out in the group stages! And 2004 went out in the quarter finals, bit of a break at least!

Pav has played the Russian league from march to the euro's and then came to us after that and played last year, thats 14 months of football without an extended break and without a "decent" pre-season, not only this but also coming to one of the most demanding leagues in the world for strikers and learning a new language etc... i believe he should be given a fair chance in the prem! How many strikers make it in the 1st year hear and how many play for that long prior to coming here!

 

[Luka Lennon]

Where did I underrate Le Tiss? I said he scored a load of goals and was lazy and didnt have much else to his game. I mentioned his pens.

It was part of his charm, and his team/lazyness was what limited his England call ups. And Pavs laziness is limiting his Spurs future.

He hasn't really had a chance to be lazy this season has he?

nice little assist for the winner in the last game too

I'd say the main reason he hasn't got a look in is the fact Redknapp has spent big money on bringing Defoe, Keano and Crouch here they're all his signings and Pav aint.

 

[shelfsideyid]

Weird..... currently re-reading 'Dream On' the superb book written around the 94' Spurs season under Gerry Francis (following the sacking of Ozzy and the departure of Klinsmann/Barmby)

Great book about the early years of the Prem' which claims that just prior to the Sugar/Venables takeover Irving Scholar had signed contracts to bring Le Tiss' to the Lane.

The financial crisis (which led to Scholar replaced by AS/TV) led to Scholar tearing up the contract after Mattgot cold feet due to the clubs rocky finances, robbing us of a 'Tiss in his prime gracing the Lane.

 

[lishiyo]

He hasn't really had a chance to be lazy this season has he?

nice little assist for the winner in the last game too

I'd say the main reason he hasn't got a look in is the fact Redknapp has spent big money on bringing Defoe, Keano and Crouch here they're all his signings and Pav aint.

He started 19 league games last season and had 28 appearances in the league in total, scoring five goals. We were struggling terribly with a strike pairing of Bent and Pav in winter. When he did well against West Ham as a sub, Harry brought him back as a starter against Citeh and West Brom at home, where he was terrible.

Maybe he has suddenly improved a lot over the summer, but I doubt if we should be taking that risk when we're winning with other strikers atm. If/when they go off the boil we can try Pav again.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

Well well well:

'He is sometimes laid-back in using his talents, so I try to chase him a bit. I like to challenge him to use his power.


'He is a good player but he needs to establish himself more, challenge himself more to reach a higher level of competition.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...lyuchenko-Get-nasty-youre-finished-Spurs.html

That pretty much backs up my opinion that he is lazy like Le Tiss.

But it doesn't back up your statement that he is a 'crap footballer'...but I guess you know more than Guus Hiddink.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I don't see the comparison.

Le Tissier, admittedly not the hardest working player, was the best passer of the ball in the country while he played. As soon as Gazza's career began to go downhill, Le Tissier should have been the man in Englands midfield, not the likes of Batty, Ince, etc. Le Tissier could also, despite the lack of any pace whatsoever, dribble like a god when he felt like it. And as for shooting, he was simply unbelievable. One season I think he had 2 of the 3 goals of the season.

my favourite: [yt]7FCNyrYC7E8[/yt]

Oh, and Le Tissier was a midfielder, not a striker.

Pavlyuchenko, on the other hand, is a striker. He can attack crosses with both his feet and his head (I think all but 1 or 2 of his goals last season were from crosses), he is able to shoot with both feet fairly well but not half was well as Le Tiss, and he is capable of the unpredictable on occasion (goal v Burnley in the first leg last season, for instance, or the goal v Spammers). He seems to be not too strong or quick, and yet on occasion he gives us glimpses or real strength and even fleet of foot. As for skill, he is frustrating because sometimes his touch is sublime but all to often the ball bounces off him.

This is based all on last season, he may well be better now if he get's a chance.

Completely different players. One was a playmaking genius, the other is a direct and sometimes very dangerous centre forward.

If any player in our side could be compared to Le Tiss in any way, I'd say Huddlestone in that he is a slow and immobile playmaker with a good shot. But even there I'd be clutching at straws because he doesn't, and most likely will never, have the genius of Le Tissier, while he will always be far more imposing off the ball and far more useful to the protection of a defence.

 

[SpurSince57]

I do not agree and the comment in bold is just stupid, just because he is paid alot of money does not mean he can be in peak condition, he is human!!

Pires and Henry had an extended break after the 2002 world cup cuz they were knocked out in the group stages! And 2004 went out in the quarter finals, bit of a break at least!

Pav has played the Russian league from march to the euro's and then came to us after that and played last year, thats 14 months of football without an extended break and without a "decent" pre-season, not only this but also coming to one of the most demanding leagues in the world for strikers and learning a new language etc... i believe he should be given a fair chance in the prem! How many strikers make it in the 1st year hear and how many play for that long prior to coming here!

Which begs the question, why did Ramos and Comolli sign a player knowing that he'd be knackered by Christmas (not to mention cup-tied for Europe)?

Quite a few, actually.

 

[Green Valley]

Gibbs,

Pav is nothing like Le Tissier.

The end.

 

[walworthyid]

I can't even see a small comparison between the 2? Pav is a box player, he really is, he needs to play off of another player who will feed him in those areas which is why I think he hasn't done well for us because he has been the player doing the supplying.

Le Tiss was a bloody genius footballer unfortunately given a laid back attitude and slow body. He wouln't even be a pro footballer in the prem or even the championship today because the physical demands are so great. Perhaps if he had gone to Man U or somewhere and a proper manager got hold of him to motivate him he could have made it. In terms of talent he is one of the most naturally gifted players ever to play in this country!

 

[danielneeds]

Weird..... currently re-reading 'Dream On' the superb book written around the 94' Spurs season under Gerry Francis (following the sacking of Ozzy and the departure of Klinsmann/Barmby)

Great book about the early years of the Prem' which claims that just prior to the Sugar/Venables takeover Irving Scholar had signed contracts to bring Le Tiss' to the Lane.

The financial crisis (which led to Scholar replaced by AS/TV) led to Scholar tearing up the contract after Mattgot cold feet due to the clubs rocky finances, robbing us of a 'Tiss in his prime gracing the Lane.

In Le Tissier's autobiography, just out, he claims he got cold feet at the last minute after talking to his wife, and deciding he didn't want to leave the south coast.

 

[SpurSince57]

I thought that had been common knowledge (or at least common rumour) for years.

 

[danielneeds]

I thought that had been common knowledge (or at least common rumour) for years.

Yeah, although this is the first time it has come from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

 

[fortworthspur]

was LeTissier a fourth choice striker sitting on the bench, too.

 

[lishiyo]

They don't even play in the same position :lol:

Le Tiss is hardly the only example of a lazy player. And he was unbelievably gifted, so comparisons with Pav or the vast majority of other footballers are just silly.

There are plenty of footballers who aren't working hard enough to fulfill their potential, or footballers who only apply themselves every once in a while, or players who need a "slap" every so often, as Pav's Spartak manager so fondly recalls of him.

Didn't Hiddink say Pav was fat before he suddenly, at Hiddink's urging, slimmed down for the Euros to get into the team? He lost the weight remarkably swiftly. So he can certainly improve himself pretty damn quickly if motivated to do so.

I think he should hit the gym more, esp as he has time atm - Agbonlahor has said he's been working very hard at bulking up a bit over the summer, Ireland attributes part of his improvement last season to being a fitness/karate freak, and Defoe seems to have gotten better at holding up the ball thanks to a tough workout regime while injured.

If Pav had more strength and sharpness, he might be able to show his ability more consistently over 90 minutes. Maybe in Russia he could get away with it and still score 1 in 2, but the PL is a lot more demanding in every sense. In the NT Arshavin tends to do all the hard work and Pav can just tap, volley, or head it in, showing some good awareness and positional sense - but Defoe is our main poacher, so Pav will have to show a lot more if he wants to start.