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riggi

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Hah. (Except for everything from Django Reinhardt to gypsy punk...:)) Racist is correct. No place here.

Think there have been a few debates on here about the term. I went to school with a fair few and have a very close connection to someone that was effectively Kidnapped by them for about 10 years.

Not quite sure how the Irish travelers are a race? That said I agree it's ironic that we bang on about being called yids and then call them pikeys.

Football fans are all the same. All hypocrites.
 

mckenz

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Have a read of "The Stopping Places" by Damian Le Bas

I grew up in a place with a big traveller population and heard and saw the bad of it growing up. I realise now that a fair bit of this was local attitude towards a culture different from the norm. Some justified , some not

Football chants are always close to the bone but its a good idea to know what your chanting and what it means in a wider sense.
 

riggi

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Broad term admittedly. Cultural ( and sometimes racist) lines are drawn by members of the diaspora.

Ye I've always seen them as separate. Infact I can't ever remember meeting a gypsy.

Doesn't dave from chas and dave come from gypsy stock?
 

TheChosenOne

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Think there have been a few debates on here about the term. I went to school with a fair few and have a very close connection to someone that was effectively Kidnapped by them for about 10 years.

Not quite sure how the Irish travelers are a race? That said I agree it's ironic that we bang on about being called yids and then call them pikeys.

Football fans are all the same. All hypocrites.

Irish travellers are considered (legally) to be an ethnic minority.
 

SugarRay

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In what way are they different to Irish people?

That’s the thing with the Irish stock. I can’t see no real difference, ethnically, from ‘standard’ Irish people.

Romany gypsies are different.

In recent years there’s been a bit more mingling between the two groups, although still not one and the same. A few generations ago they were strictly two different groups who didn’t spend time together.

I have distant Romany relations. Most good, few bad. From personal experiences I’d say no different from any other ethnic group. The Irish travellers I’ve encountered tend to have more bad amongst them than any other group I’ve known but then again, I might have just interacted with a lot of bad eggs.
 

Ed Cohen

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Always found it odd that people who idolised Van Der Vaart (or Dimitrescu) during their time at Spurs feel comfortable using derogatory slurs about Gypsies.

Some other players of Roma/Sinti/Traveller background?

Ibrahimovic, Pirlo, Hagi, Savičevič, Stoickov, Cantona and plenty of other greats of the game.
 

TheChosenOne

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In what way are they different to Irish people?

It's complicated..
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/sci...erent-from-settled-irish-as-spanish-1.2969515
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As an almost 63 year old man of the world and 'people watcher' I would say that the traveller community
is very insular, rarely marrying outside of their own community, the gene pool is not as diverse as mainstream
white Europeans and I could probably identify an Irish traveller just by looking at their body shape and other identifiers, male or female.

Before I get accused of being racist or of racist profiling I would add then that I could also possibly identify Scandinavians, Latino, Romano and many other ethnic types using the eyes in my head.
I can quite often look at Irish folk and see they could possibly come from various types of settlers or invaders, be them Spanish/French/Norse-Viking/Welsh/English etc
 
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riggi

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That’s the thing with the Irish stock. I can’t see no real difference, ethnically, from ‘standard’ Irish people.

Romany gypsies are different.

In recent years there’s been a bit more mingling between the two groups, although still not one and the same. A few generations ago they were strictly two different groups who didn’t spend time together.

I have distant Romany relations. Most good, few bad. From personal experiences I’d say no different from any other ethnic group. The Irish travellers I’ve encountered tend to have more bad amongst them than any other group I’ve known but then again, I might have just interacted with a lot of bad eggs.

I haven't met anybody who has a positive word to say about Irish travellers. They are seen as one big mafia type group rather than a race by most of the people I've spoken too.
 

TheChosenOne

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I haven't met anybody who has a positive word to say about Irish travellers. They are seen as one big mafia type group rather than a race by most of the people I've spoken too.

The travelling community here are not liked by a lot of folk, many of whom are afraid to admit it.

The reason is that they are pretty much untouchable by the law, turn up to sign on at the dole offices in €70k four wheel drive motors and for the most part don't pay any taxes.

A 'traveller' parent turned up at my lads school last week with a crowbar threatening everybody and anybody. The guards were not called for fear of escalating the problem. His kids are lawless and always beating up the other kids when they think they can get away with it. The school played down the incident afterwards saying it was a misunderstanding.
 

riggi

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The travelling community here are not liked by a lot of folk, many of whom are afraid to admit it.

The reason is that they are pretty much untouchable by the law, turn up to sign on at the dole offices in €70k four wheel drive motors and for the most part don't pay any taxes.

A 'traveller' parent turned up at my lads school last week with a crowbar threatening everybody and anybody. The guards were not called for fear of escalating the problem. His kids are lawless and always beating up the other kids when they think they can get away with it. The school played down the incident afterwards saying it was a misunderstanding.

I'm not surprised to be honest.
 

branchie

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I've heard plenty of stories about the Irish travellers passing through Holyhead port. Anything that isn't bolted down dissappears. And their toilet behaviour certainly leaves a lot to be desired....
 
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