Player Watch Player Watch: Cameron Carter-Vickers

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Since were shuvving every other youth player in the first team, we cant leave this guy out.
 

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He still can as of now, but judging from his quotes it does seem as if he's pretty intent to play for the US. Getting to these kids early makes a big difference, and the US got to him at a young age to get him in with his age bracket and the coaches.

While there are many of these players who have American fathers but those fathers return to the US and the kid stays in Europe, CCV's case is also unusual in that he has maintained a very close relationship with his father. His father has actively been involved in his upbringing, actively been involved in his football pursuit, makes trips to England, and CCV makes annual trips to the US to visit him. Contrast that with Jeremy Toljan, a German RB whose American serviceman father left Germany at a young age and is even now deceased, when Klinsmann called him to ask if he was interested in playing for the US, he simply said "nope" and that was the end of the conversation.

With England, there are also quite a few talents near to his age, but with the US there's a very good chance he's at least in the squad for Russia 2018. So there is still a chance, but I doubt it. The most significant factors would seem to suggest him remaining with the US.

England haven't shown interest. When they do it will be interesting. The lad is English has an English accent and spends all his time in England. It will be better for Spurs if he chooses England. Less traversing across the World on international duty.
 

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#25
Would be cool to have Dier, Milos, CCV, and maybe Wimmer as the options a couple years from now. They'd all still be younger than 25 by the time the new stadium comes around.

And speaking as someone living in the US, I don't think he is a lock to play for the USMNT, by the way.
 

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if he can dominate the U20s of New Zealand he can dominate anyone.
He also did very well vs Brazil's U23s last October (CCV was 16 at the time). Brazil were winning 1-0 thanks to a keeper blunder, then CCV was substituted around the 70th minute and Brazil ended up winning 3-0.
 

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We got Dier when CCV was 16...Dier has turned out to be an astute signing, no matter how well CCV develops. We can't always wait on potential to fill holes in the squad.
I find your statement entirely contradictory.

Surely Dier this season has been potential who filled a hole (or holes rather) in the squad?

Dier's performances this season have been blown way out of proportion imo.
 

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Was at the game last night. NZ were very ordinary defensively (gave two ludicrous goals away). Best players on the pitch were CCV, Rubin and Zelalem.
 

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England haven't shown interest. When they do it will be interesting. The lad is English has an English accent and spends all his time in England. It will be better for Spurs if he chooses England. Less traversing across the World on international duty.
Sorry bud, but the days of England being so high over the US they could swoop in in a second to lift him away are over. Just the way it is in the modern status of things. England aren't exactly punching way over the US' head anymore, even if they do have a much stronger selection, which crowds out CCV's chances of playing time anyway for, if we're being honest, not all that much greater of chances of winning trophies. If England wants/wanted him, they should've gotten to him earlier. It's just simply child psychology, show appreciation and dedication early enough and you'll inspire loyalty. Top that off with the fact he's very familiar with the US and has a closely involved father figure who was a professional athlete himself, and it's further cemented. In choosing England at this point, you're asking a young man to turn his back on the friends he's now developed for several years now, the coaches he's come through with, and possibly even offend his own father.

Ultimately, many players' choices come down to where they'll have the best chances at playing time, rather than national loyalty. The US is exploiting the shit out of this, as Klinsmann is digging deep in Germany for offspring of American servicemen who knocked German women up and left. There are loads of them in the Bundesliga, and the US is finding them. Some of them have never lived a second in the US or even visited, but they're taking up the American shirt because they'll get to play.

I agree, from a Spurs perspective, England is the more practical choice. But given the context, I think the chances of that are very small if they even exist at all.
 

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Sorry bud, but the days of England being so high over the US they could swoop in in a second to lift him away are over. Just the way it is in the modern status of things. England aren't exactly punching way over the US' head anymore, even if they do have a much stronger selection, which crowds out CCV's chances of playing time anyway for, if we're being honest, not all that much greater of chances of winning trophies. If England wants/wanted him, they should've gotten to him earlier. It's just simply child psychology, show appreciation and dedication early enough and you'll inspire loyalty. Top that off with the fact he's very familiar with the US and has a closely involved father figure who was a professional athlete himself, and it's further cemented. In choosing England at this point, you're asking a young man to turn his back on the friends he's now developed for several years now, the coaches he's come through with, and possibly even offend his own father.

Ultimately, many players' choices come down to where they'll have the best chances at playing time, rather than national loyalty. The US is exploiting the shit out of this, as Klinsmann is digging deep in Germany for offspring of American servicemen who knocked German women up and left. There are loads of them in the Bundesliga, and the US is finding them. Some of them have never lived a second in the US or even visited, but they're taking up the American shirt because they'll get to play.

I agree, from a Spurs perspective, England is the more practical choice. But given the context, I think the chances of that are very small if they even exist at all.
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Sorry bud, but the days of England being so high over the US they could swoop in in a second to lift him away are over. Just the way it is in the modern status of things. England aren't exactly punching way over the US' head anymore, even if they do have a much stronger selection, which crowds out CCV's chances of playing time anyway for, if we're being honest, not all that much greater of chances of winning trophies. If England wants/wanted him, they should've gotten to him earlier. It's just simply child psychology, show appreciation and dedication early enough and you'll inspire loyalty. Top that off with the fact he's very familiar with the US and has a closely involved father figure who was a professional athlete himself, and it's further cemented. In choosing England at this point, you're asking a young man to turn his back on the friends he's now developed for several years now, the coaches he's come through with, and possibly even offend his own father.

Ultimately, many players' choices come down to where they'll have the best chances at playing time, rather than national loyalty. The US is exploiting the shit out of this, as Klinsmann is digging deep in Germany for offspring of American servicemen who knocked German women up and left. There are loads of them in the Bundesliga, and the US is finding them. Some of them have never lived a second in the US or even visited, but they're taking up the American shirt because they'll get to play.

I agree, from a Spurs perspective, England is the more practical choice. But given the context, I think the chances of that are very small if they even exist at all.

Don't disagree but it does seem that the home of football has some allure. Sven Goran Erickson and
Sorry bud, but the days of England being so high over the US they could swoop in in a second to lift him away are over. Just the way it is in the modern status of things. England aren't exactly punching way over the US' head anymore, even if they do have a much stronger selection, which crowds out CCV's chances of playing time anyway for, if we're being honest, not all that much greater of chances of winning trophies. If England wants/wanted him, they should've gotten to him earlier. It's just simply child psychology, show appreciation and dedication early enough and you'll inspire loyalty. Top that off with the fact he's very familiar with the US and has a closely involved father figure who was a professional athlete himself, and it's further cemented. In choosing England at this point, you're asking a young man to turn his back on the friends he's now developed for several years now, the coaches he's come through with, and possibly even offend his own father.

Ultimately, many players' choices come down to where they'll have the best chances at playing time, rather than national loyalty. The US is exploiting the shit out of this, as Klinsmann is digging deep in Germany for offspring of American servicemen who knocked German women up and left. There are loads of them in the Bundesliga, and the US is finding them. Some of them have never lived a second in the US or even visited, but they're taking up the American shirt because they'll get to play.

I agree, from a Spurs perspective, England is the more practical choice. But given the context, I think the chances of that are very small if they even exist at all.

Don't disagree but it does seem that the home of football still has some allure. Sven Goran Erickson and Fabio Capello both saw England as the pinnacle job and everyone wants to beat England so there is something there. CCV's mother is English of course. All his early football has been in England.

We will see.
 

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Don't disagree but it does seem that the home of football has some allure. Sven Goran Erickson and



Don't disagree but it does seem that the home of football still has some allure. Sven Goran Erickson and Fabio Capello both saw England as the pinnacle job and everyone wants to beat England so there is something there. CCV's mother is English of course. All his early football has been in England.

We will see.
Nowdays, things are different. Show the kid love, he'll gravitate towards you. Dont even contact the kid or show even the least bit of interest, there's bound to be some animosity there. Also, CCV has been able to play with club first teamers, and people who have had senior caps while hes been with the US youth teams. He's also played meaningful tournaments and been with older age groups then he would if he were with England.
 
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#33
CCV has said he couldn't see himself playing for England now in a few interviews so I think that ship has sailed, and it's huge news for the US.
 

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#34
Nice to see Klinsmann following the Jack Charlton routine.

Charlton:are you Irish?
Player: I could be
Charlton: ah well you're in the team then.

Klimsmann's got the right idea.
 

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#35
most cbs have an obvious preference for left or right side, this kid, which foot?

perhaps swindon or even brentford next season?
 

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Why rush the kid? He's 17 for Christ sake. He might be an absolute monster physically but he's still learning his trade. Let him continue to develop before throwing him in against Aguero etc.

Possibly a loan next season, see how he does then potentially in our European squad for the year after.
 

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I find your statement entirely contradictory.

Surely Dier this season has been potential who filled a hole (or holes rather) in the squad?

Dier's performances this season have been blown way out of proportion imo.
No, he hasn't.

He's been better than senior players with international experience (Kaboul, Chiriches, Walker) all have been this season.

Talking about a youth player with no senior experience whatsoever as being someone who we should've turned to before him is frankly laughable.
 

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most cbs have an obvious preference for left or right side, this kid, which foot?

perhaps swindon or even brentford next season?
He plays LCB for US I think but I have seen him play RCB example against Brazil u23s. Mix and matches for Spurs too. I think it's depedent on which CB he plays with. He is primarily right footed but can use his left a bit
 

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Can anyone tell me how tall he is, as from what I have seen he is physically built, but does not come across as tall for a CB, having said that from everything I've read and seen he has a good leap on him,
 
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