Player watch: Christian Eriksen

[dtxspurs]

Yes but you haven't offered anything to back up your view and are giving it in a way that comes across as if you're some sort of authority on it. In my opinion, your opinion is quite frankly embarrassing. Since poch took over he's been arguably our most important player bar the last few months where he's been inconsistent at worse and match winning (enabling us to qualify for the CL when we probably didn't deserve to) at best. The only team he'd struggle to get into is the billion pound, double league champions, Man City. The constant slating of him, in spite of his stats is absurd.

Not even sure that's arguable.. Seems clear as day.

 

[Havre]

But he’s had multiple poor games over a 12 month period. Many more poor games than good ones.

When does he get called out for it? Or do we just have to keep quiet because he played reasonably well against a knackered villa side for 20 minutes?

I don’t get why people take such offence about people calling out a player for being in poor form for so long. It isn’t up for debate is it? Or are people saying they think CE has played well for the last 12 months?

CE is clearly a level below the best playmakers in this league like KDB and David Silva. That’s fine, not everyone can be that good.

But he’s been clearly well below par for an extended period of time. How many times do we see him get the ball and just lose it? It’s actually startling how often it happens in games every week!

I don’t take offence. I have criticized him myself. I wonder who this wouldn’t be true for though? Even Kane is poor for spells. Don’t get me started on players like Alli.

He hasn’t been poor for 12-18 months. Every single ManUtd fan I know were daydreaming of Eriksen this summer. I get fans being annoyed with Eriksen at the moment. Him not signing and playing so poorly in the pre-season, but he hasn’t been one of our most used players because he is so poor. I don’t agree with Pochettino in everything, but he can’t be that wrong - and he isn’t/wasn’t.

Maybe the Mad King was right....

 

[JeremyPaxton]

He is special but when needed often he isn't special.

Right, tell that to Inter, Burnley, Brighton... oh wait: winning goals in1-0 games scored after 80 minutes aren’t needed? LOL

 

[Ronwol196061]

Right, tell that to Inter, Burnley, Brighton... oh wait: winning goals in1-0 games scored after 80 minutes aren’t needed? LOL

Haha...yes so why isn't Moura considered the biggest thing since sliced bread....

 

[Havre]

Haha...yes so why isn't Moura considered the biggest thing since sliced bread....

So you say he has never done anything when it matters. When people prove you wrong you argue the argument isn’t valid?

Talk about being open minded.

 

[C-oops]

Sorry but that’s rubbish. Kane has always been our most important player, it’s literally not even close.

Do you think if Kane had one year left on his contract we would be in August without a single proper offer for him? Every single club in the world would be in for him and they’d be throwing obscene money at Levy. See the difference between how Madrid go after elite level players like Hazard and how they treat just good players like CE? Where are the clubs beating down the door to sign CE?

And you say he’s been Inconsistent at best? ? that’s generous in the extreme. The guy has been really poor in most games for 12 months. As I said, a few goals when he’s been anonymous in those games too but come up with a long ranger does not gloss over his woeful form. How Eriksen played yesterday is how he has been in 90% of games for a year now. It’s not something new and it’s not inconsistency. It’s just crap form. Let’s not dress it up.

Did I?

 

[C-oops]

Sorry but that’s rubbish. Kane has always been our most important player, it’s literally not even close.

Do you think if Kane had one year left on his contract we would be in August without a single proper offer for him? Every single club in the world would be in for him and they’d be throwing obscene money at Levy. See the difference between how Madrid go after elite level players like Hazard and how they treat just good players like CE? Where are the clubs beating down the door to sign CE?

And you say he’s been Inconsistent at best? ? that’s generous in the extreme. The guy has been really poor in most games for 12 months. As I said, a few goals when he’s been anonymous in those games too but come up with a long ranger does not gloss over his woeful form. How Eriksen played yesterday is how he has been in 90% of games for a year now. It’s not something new and it’s not inconsistency. It’s just crap form. Let’s not dress it up.

90% of games you say ? Ok, tell me the 10% he's been good in. It's a nice round number so should be easy to remember. I like to assume people who throw out stats have them readily available to refer to.

 

[Ronwol196061]

So you say he has never done anything when it matters. When people prove you wrong you argue the argument isn’t valid?

Talk about being open minded.

I was, I mentioned Moura and wondered if him scoring key goals didnt make him some kind of Messiah as well

 

[andyosh11]

Personally I'd clear the decks of him, we don't need that negativity, at least Toby is constantly being positive, hence he starts. Cash in, invest the money, that's football. Very very disappointed with Eriksen though, he won't get an ovation if he comes back.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Nah he really doesn’t show up in the big games. I’m a huge Eriksen fan and don’t want him to leave but I think it’s a fair statement.

It's not a fair statement. It is a false statement. Eriksen has provided vital contributions in countless games against Top 6 opposition and in the CL. That's not up for debate.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Personally I'd clear the decks of him, we don't need that negativity, at least Toby is constantly being positive, hence he starts. Cash in, invest the money, that's football. Very very disappointed with Eriksen though, he won't get an ovation if he comes back.

What negativity?

 

[C-oops]

I was, I mentioned Moura and wondered if him scoring key goals didnt make him some kind of Messiah as well

Arguing that Eriksen isn't in fact shit but an important player who has singlehandedly won us important games is hardly labelling him the Messiah. Exaggeration for effect always the last resort for someone losing an argument.

 

[Havre]

Let us have a look at late goals that led to either one or three points last season. I have also included Llorente against City as it won us the tie even if it didn´t win us the game.

I apologise if I have made any mistakes. Wrote it down on an envelope quite quickly. It is not that important for me - it seems like most have made up their mind about Eriksen - maybe me included.

Fulham: Trippier 74min
Brighton: Lamela 76 min
Burnley: Eriksen 91 min
Fulham: Winks 93 min
Watford: Llorente 87 min
Newcastle: Son 83 min
Arsenal: Llorente 84 min
Brighton: Eriksen 88 min
Everton: Eriksen 75 min (not really important of course - so I´ll exclude this one)
PSV: Kane 89 min
Inter: Eriksen 80 min
Barcelona: Lucas 85 min
City: Son 78 min
City: Llorente 73 min
Ajax: Lucas 96 min

Eriksen: 3
Llorente: 3
Lucas: 2
Son: 2
Lamela: 1
Winks: 1
Trippier: 1
Kane: 1

I get people not liking Eriksen. He would never fit a team like Liverpool. I can see why some want more aggressive players that can tackle more. We might even be a better team longer term without Eriksen if we change our style accordingly. That is not what I am arguing against here. But when people say he isn´t involved when it matters etc. you are clearly just speculating. Let us not make Eriksen worse than he is.

I love Eriksen as an AM. He doesn´t tackle, but he covers space. He scores a decent amount and his assists per minute matches most players in that role. He needs players like Kane, Son and Alli to shine though. One might call that a weakness, but how can you create a team unless you play to each player´s strength? Kind of the point of being a team. That is how Pogba can shine for France when being poor for Utd. How Messi can be the best ever for Barcelona, but only very good for Argentina.

I don´t love Eriksen as a winger or as an 8. I think he is good as an 8, but not special.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Personally I'd clear the decks of him, we don't need that negativity, at least Toby is constantly being positive, hence he starts. Cash in, invest the money, that's football. Very very disappointed with Eriksen though, he won't get an ovation if he comes back.

I'm not sure about that. There are many fans that think he is the second coming
I guess he would be...

 

[andyosh11]

What negativity?

Publicly saying he wants to leave?????

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Publicly saying he wants to leave?????

Rose said far worse and I don't see people complaining about his negativity. Most people were fuming when it was speculated he could go to Watford on deadline day.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Arguing that Eriksen isn't in fact shit but an important player who has singlehandedly won us important games is hardly labelling him the Messiah. Exaggeration for effect always the last resort for someone losing an argument.

Exaggeration is the way some people see Eriksen.
There are many important games he hasn't. Is the exaggeration or a sense of reality?

 

[philll]

Why are people talking about his contributions for his national team? Nobody is questioning his talent, he is very obviously an extremely talented player.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Let us have a look at late goals that led to either one or three points last season. I have also included Llorente against City as it won us the tie even if it didn´t win us the game.

I apologise if I have made any mistakes. Wrote it down on an envelope quite quickly. It is not that important for me - it seems like most have made up their mind about Eriksen - maybe me included.

Fulham: Trippier 74min
Brighton: Lamela 76 min
Burnley: Eriksen 91 min
Fulham: Winks 93 min
Watford: Llorente 87 min
Newcastle: Son 83 min
Arsenal: Llorente 84 min
Brighton: Eriksen 88 min
Everton: Eriksen 75 min (not really important of course - so I´ll exclude this one)
PSV: Kane 89 min
Inter: Eriksen 80 min
Barcelona: Lucas 85 min
City: Son 78 min
City: Llorente 73 min
Ajax: Lucas 96 min

Eriksen: 3
Llorente: 3
Lucas: 2
Son: 2
Lamela: 1
Winks: 1
Trippier: 1
Kane: 1

I get people not liking Eriksen. He would never fit a team like Liverpool. I can see why some want more aggressive players that can tackle more. We might even be a better team longer term without Eriksen if we change our style accordingly. That is not what I am arguing against here. But when people say he isn´t involved when it matters etc. you are clearly just speculating. Let us not make Eriksen worse than he is.

I love Eriksen as an AM. He doesn´t tackle, but he covers space. He scores a decent amount and his assists per minute matches most players in that role. He needs players like Kane, Son and Alli to shine though. One might call that a weakness, but how can you create a team unless you play to each player´s strength? Kind of the point of being a team. That is how Pogba can shine for France when being poor for Utd. How Messi can be the best ever for Barcelona, but only very good for Argentina.

I don´t love Eriksen as a winger or as an 8. I think he is good as an 8, but not special.

Are late goals the litmus test if how good a player is?

 

[andyosh11]

Rose said far worse and I don't see people complaining about his negativity. Most people were fuming when it was speculated he could go to Watford on deadline day.

But he said it, no???
You think that's not negative for the manager and the team????