Player watch: Danny Rose

[WiganSpur]

Keep till summer.

Agreed.

Get Sessegnon in first though, whether that is in January or early in the summer. I know DL would like to keep the price high for Rose but in reality all it will do is increase the price for Sessegnon if Rose is sold first.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Surely one of the angles is him staying. past this season. I'm certainly not covering that.

Yeah - it was a dumb joke, you said "all round" I extrapolated "all angles" not my best work, clearly.

 

[Cravenspurs]

We have sold players, and we will continue to do so, but that is what has turned us from having half a dozen good players into having a great starting 11 and now into having some depth as well. Every time we sell a player the money is reinvested into buying two or even three players of great potential. Walker went in the Summer and the money was spent on Aurier and Sanchez. Sanchez is looking a superb buy and Aurier is showing in patches he has great quality as well(just needs time to settle).

I know there are a lot unhappy about us probably selling Rose but he wants to leave and I think we all know if we force him to stay he will not do that in a quiet professional manor like a lot of pros would.

Question: How many of those saying don't sell, would be more inclined to let him go if say the money was going to be spent on Sessegnon and Richarlison? At this stage of course it is only hypothetical, but from what I hear they are both list toppers as far as potential incomings are concerned.

I get aroused with Richarlison and don't want a player that doesn't want to be here. Ryan? I have never seen him play, but he is obviously a player as he has been written about for years now. If that is something we can complete in Jan, I think we do it in a heartbeat as Rose has been MIA all season and we would add depth to the attacking line.

As of right now, I would love to see an attacking front of:

Son - Eriksen - Richarlison
------- Kane --------

Much more direct and Eriksen would have more options in the channels.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I get aroused with Richarlison and don't want a player that doesn't want to be here. Ryan? I have never seen him play, but he is obviously a player as he has been written about for years now. If that is something we can complete in Jan, I think we do it in a heartbeat as Rose has been MIA all season and we would add depth to the attacking line.

As of right now, I would love to see an attacking front of:

Son - Eriksen - Richarlison
------- Kane --------

Much more direct and Eriksen would have more options in the channels.

The challenge, of course, is that every move has a trade-off.

If you set up that attacking front-4, then you have to take one player from the back out of the current set-up. If you go 4231, it means sitting one of Sanchez/Alderweireld/Vertonghen. If you opt for some variation of a back 5, and 1 central midfielder, you are dropping Dier/Wanyama or Winks/Dembele.

And, of course you have already dropped Dele from the line-up.

 

[Spurrific]

Shame it doesn't work like that in reality though.

Feel free to enlighten me as to how it works in reality. We just sell every player that sulks a bit to our domestic rivals and continue to be also-rans?

 

[ralvy]

Feel free to enlighten me as to how it works in reality. We just sell every player that sulks a bit to our domestic rivals and continue to be also-rans?

I suppose he means the swapping of players instead of selling. When have you ever seen us do that?

 

[ralvy]

I so hope we sell Rose to united. He probably will be a bit of a cancer there, and we all know Mourinho's teams have fallen apart in the past because of ego wars between him and one or more of his players.

 

[Cravenspurs]

The challenge, of course, is that every move has a trade-off.

If you set up that attacking front-4, then you have to take one player from the back out of the current set-up. If you go 4231, it means sitting one of Sanchez/Alderweireld/Vertonghen. If you opt for some variation of a back 5, and 1 central midfielder, you are dropping Dier/Wanyama or Winks/Dembele.

And, of course you have already dropped Dele from the line-up.

Spot on and am not one of the Down with Dele folks. It was more of an example of what he would bring to our side. It adds a much needed element of speed and directness on both sides of the field. I for one have been very happy with Son this year and think he needs to be starting every game as he is the only wide player up front that can run at players. The lineup suggested would be one where we are facing sides that press and where the tempo of play needs to be picked up. All hypothetical, but I think we need to be focusing more on our attacking options and another creative mid to really get above and beyond the realm we are and Richarlison has proved to me that he is PL ready.

 

[Spurrific]

I suppose he means the swapping of players instead of selling. When have you ever seen us do that?

Yeah, but then he’d be reading “player swap” when I wasn’t implying anything of the sort. I just meant that we shouldn’t deal with United for a player they want unless they want to be amenable and deal with us for Martial.

 

[SpursDave88]

I so hope we sell Rose to united. He probably will be a bit of a cancer there, and we all know Mourinho's teams have fallen apart in the past because of ego wars between him and one or more of his players.

Exactly the moronic nonsense I was referring to earlier. Best left back in the league...yeh that'll definitely screw United over!

 

[SpursDave88]

Feel free to enlighten me as to how it works in reality. We just sell every player that sulks a bit to our domestic rivals and continue to be also-rans?

Yup!

 

[ralvy]

Exactly the moronic nonsense I was referring to earlier. Best left back in the league...yeh that'll definitely screw United over!

Okay, it looks like someone is having a bad day or something.

Yeah, the last couple of seasons Danny Rose was certainly in the conversation for best left back in the league, so what? He's coming back after a long term injury, he's getting old, he's showing some serious attitude issues and he just doesn't seem to be a team player anymore. So yes, I would be more than happy to sell him to united for big cash.

Even if Rose is still as good as you think he is, united will have no problems finding a left back of the same quality as him somewhere else. On the other hand, Pochetino seems to be pretty good at developing wing backs. We have more to gain from this transaction than they do.

 

[SpursDave88]

Okay, it looks like someone is having a bad day or something.

Yeah, the last couple of seasons Danny Rose was certainly in the conversation for best left back in the league, so what? He's coming back after a long term injury, he's getting old, he's showing some serious attitude issues and he just doesn't seem to be a team player anymore. So yes, I would be more than happy to sell him to united for big cash.

Even if Rose is still as good as you think he is, united will have no problems finding a left back of the same quality as him somewhere else. On the other hand, Pochetino seems to be pretty good at developing wing backs. We have more to gain from this transaction than they do.

No we don't, if we did, they wouldn't be buying him. We are doing the same as we did with Walker...Drop him from this side so when we sell him in a months time we can say that he wasn't first choice anyway. United want to buy him (as do Chelsea and perhaps even City) because he is the best left back in the league and for sure the best left back at Tottenham. If Ben Davies was so much better United would be trying to sign him.

Sadly in the end we are in a weak position as a club and most players who spit the dummy get their way. The (very accurate) narrative will say...Carrick, Berbatov, Modric, Bale, Walker...Spurs are a selling club, always have been, always will be and will never win anything as long as they keep selling their first team players in order to strengthen our rivals.

 

[ralvy]

No we don't, if we did, they wouldn't be buying him. We are doing the same as we did with Walker...Drop him from this side so when we sell him in a months time we can say that he wasn't first choice anyway. United want to buy him (as do Chelsea and perhaps even City) because he is the best left back in the league and for sure the best left back at Tottenham. If Ben Davies was so much better United would be trying to sign him.

Sadly in the end we are in a weak position as a club and most players who spit the dummy get their way. The (very accurate) narrative will say...Carrick, Berbatov, Modric, Bale, Walker...Spurs are a selling club, always have been, always will be and will never win anything as long as they keep selling their first team players in order to strengthen our rivals.

I would guess that's not at all what's happening. My suspicion would be that Danny Rose is being dropped off from the squad because he just doesn't want to be part of Spurs anymore. If a player doesn't want to be part of the team, then they don't get to play... simple as that. I seriously doubt Pochetino cares that much about saving face.

Scratch that, just seen he's being named on the starting 11 for today

 

[Spursmatty87]

We are where we are unfortunately, selling rose and walker is something we all hoped were things of the past. Their age means they wasn’t willing to wait any longer. Think all we can do is hope that this stadium can make us compete otherwise dele and harry ain’t gonna Be here in 5 yrs.

Personally if we look back at every top player that has left over the last 10yrs, overall we’ve improved within 2 years. So I never really lose my shit over someone leaving it’s part of football. Just have to trust we replace properly.

 

[thelak]

We have sold players, and we will continue to do so, but that is what has turned us from having half a dozen good players into having a great starting 11 and now into having some depth as well. Every time we sell a player the money is reinvested into buying two or even three players of great potential. Walker went in the Summer and the money was spent on Aurier and Sanchez. Sanchez is looking a superb buy and Aurier is showing in patches he has great quality as well(just needs time to settle).

I know there are a lot unhappy about us probably selling Rose but he wants to leave and I think we all know if we force him to stay he will not do that in a quiet professional manor like a lot of pros would.

Question: How many of those saying don't sell, would be more inclined to let him go if say the money was going to be spent on Sessegnon and Richarlison? At this stage of course it is only hypothetical, but from what I hear they are both list toppers as far as potential incomings are concerned.

Don’t think you get my point. Why not invest in Sanchez or Sessegnon or Richarlison without having to fund it with selling another top player. Yes there is the stadium but there is ridiculous money flying around in the league these days. I’m all for investing in the talent we have....but the rule we seem to have of always funding it with player sales is not how any of our competitors operate. They add to their squads with the talent you mention

 

[Trix]

Yeah, but then he’d be reading “player swap” when I wasn’t implying anything of the sort. I just meant that we shouldn’t deal with United for a player they want unless they want to be amenable and deal with us for Martial.

Domestic rivals or not, it didn't stop Chelsea selling Matic to them and they have bucket loads of cash just sat around. The facts are he wants to leave and has been making that very well known. The big foreign clubs aren't interested(as yet). We can't afford to have a £60mil asset just sulking away and not towing the line. People keep saying "we can't keep selling our best players and expect to compete", but that is exactly how we have been able to compete in the first place. By selling our best players and then reinvesting to improve the squad as a whole.

Maybe when the new ground is complete and producing the extra income required things will change, but until then this is exactly the model that has brought us to where we are now.

 

[Trix]

Don’t think you get my point. Why not invest in Sanchez or Sessegnon or Richarlison without having to fund it with selling another top player. Yes there is the stadium but there is ridiculous money flying around in the league these days. I’m all for investing in the talent we have....but the rule we seem to have of always funding it with player sales is not how any of our competitors operate. They add to their squads with the talent you mention

The club accounts that are released every year(that are available for all to see) explain fully where the money goes. It baffles me why people choose to ignore it.

Add to that our rivals have far greater incomings than ourselves. It really isn't that difficult to understand. The more money you make the more you can spend.

 

[thelak]

Domestic rivals or not, it didn't stop Chelsea selling Matic to them and they have bucket loads of cash just sat around. The facts are he wants to leave and has been making that very well known. The big foreign clubs aren't interested(as yet). We can't afford to have a £60mil asset just sulking away and not towing the line. People keep saying "we can't keep selling our best players and expect to compete", but that is exactly how we have been able to compete in the first place. By selling our best players and then reinvesting to improve the squad as a whole.

Maybe when the new ground is complete and producing the extra income required things will change, but until then this is exactly the model that has brought us to where we are now.

Sorry I don’t agree. We have competed and kept falling short. We have players and a manager that wants to win things. I’ve said in previous posts if top 4 is all we aspire to then this is a decent strategy but it’s not going to be the one that gets us over the line with our name on a trophy. That chance has gone. That model has brought us close but if we can’t make the next step will see us plateau out and probably fall away as other players slowly get picked off. And we are a weaker team this year without Walker whilst we wait for Aurier to bed in

 

[Trix]

Sorry I don’t agree. We have competed and kept falling short. We have players and a manager that wants to win things. I’ve said in previous posts if top 4 is all we aspire to then this is a decent strategy but it’s not going to be the one that gets us over the line with our name on a trophy. That chance has gone. That model has brought us close but if we can’t make the next step will see us plateau out and probably fall away as other players slowly get picked off. And we are a weaker team this year without Walker whilst we wait for Aurier to bed in

Jeez.

The whole bloody point of the new stadium is to increase our revenue in order to compete at a higher financial level. Levy has said this publically numerous times.