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nailsy

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Getting a ban for that is the most pathetic thing I've heard for a long time. They even admitted they couldn't determine if it was aimed at the ref and they still banned him. Would they have done the same to a Slovakian no one had heard of or is it cos FIFA still have issues with England.

England, Spurs and Dele should write to FIFA every single time someone swears or gestures or cheats etc and ask if they'll be banned too.

It was a dumb thing to do at most by Dele but no way deserved a ban. Idiots.

Can England appeal? I know they won't but can they and who to?

I think he was just unlucky that it was caught on live national TV. It's hard to ignore it when several million people saw it happen. I can also see why a gesture aimed at the ref (if it was) thirty seconds after the incident would warrant punishment as it's wouldn't be a heat of the moment thing like swearing usually is. He's probably unlucky that the ref didn't see it as it probably warrants a yellow card at most.
 

Univarn

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No point they have taken weeks to come to this conclusion, so it will never be overturned. What annoys me is even the most entry level lip reader can see players swearing at officials in every single televised match. Not sure why a gesture would be any different to those being captured on footage mouthing the words. That said it isn't the worst news for us that he will only be playing one game and not two.
To be honest can he just play the Thursday game and we agree he is banned from the Tuesday match away to Lithuania instead?
 

nailsy

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Exactly... A prime example was Rooney at the weekend. Usual f-ing and blinding at the ref, but as always, the refs don't have the backbone to book a player for it.
The claim was that Alli's gesture (albeit at a team-mate) was witnessed by kids and that's why it's an issue.
Take your kids to a game at any level and they'll hear foul language from players if they're close enough.

I'd love to see more refs book players for swearing, but I think booking a player with blood running down their face would be a bit harsh.
 

ComfortablyNumb

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I think he was just unlucky that it was caught on live national TV. It's hard to ignore it when several million people saw it happen. I can also see why a gesture aimed at the ref (if it was) thirty seconds after the incident would warrant punishment as it's wouldn't be a heat of the moment thing like swearing usually is. He's probably unlucky that the ref didn't see it as it probably warrants a yellow card at most.
But when is an England game ever not on live TV?
 

thekneaf

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Can't wait for this ruling to impact the Italy team and they wild semiotic gesticulation. Pretty sure they should be getting a ban a game
 

WalkerboyUK

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You can't do that on a football pitch, a televised one at that, anyone defending this is quite frankly a moron.

Don't think anyone's defending it, just pointing out that if you have a rule then apply it across the board, not just when you see fit.
Refs are supposed to start booking players for using foul language, but they don't do it.
 

thekneaf

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Or bans for an celebration with a gun.

Don't get me wrong. It was a chump move. And also almost archaic, didn't realise people still flipped the bird. Just think consistency would be in order now a precedent has been set
 

bomberH

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You can't do that on a football pitch, a televised one at that, anyone defending this is quite frankly a moron.

Missing the point much?

If you ban someone for that, you have to ban every single player who does anything similar, in particular swearing.

Article 57 states:

Anyone who insults someone in any way, especially by using offensive gestures or language, or who violates the principles of fair play or whose behaviour is unsporting in any other way may be subject to sanctions in accordance with art. 10 ff.

If they ban someone for gesticulating and can't even prove it was aimed at the ref, then they need to ban anyone swearing at the ref or any other player on the pitch. But they won't will they. You could even argue that it wasn't even unsporting behaviour if Dele says it was aimed at Walker as a joke. We know it was probably aimed at the ref but it's unproven and that's what counts when deciding any punishment.
 

Reece

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It sets a precedent for offensive gesticulation which tbh if I saw a player giving it the old wanker sign i wouldn’t be surprised to see them banned either.
 

cider spurs

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I've lost count the amount of times I've been able to lip read some expletives coming from a footballers mouth.

Rooney most definitely springs to mind and yes, sometimes when walking away from the ref, and/or disagreeing with a decision.

Alli shouldn't have given FIFA the chance to ban him in the first place, but come on, it's a finger at a team mate, FIFA can't prove otherwise.

Ungentlemanly conduct?. Nah, not for me. Obscene, not really in this day and age.

Obscene if I recall was the wads of cash in backhanders floating around FIFA not too long ago.

If I may...to quote the old favourite saying of Shrek himself...

Feck off man!.
 

mattie g

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Jesus. People need to get some perspective here. He's playing poorly for him. A shit Dele Alli is probably still worth 100 mill. He's still getting assists and goals. He's pivotal in how we work as he team. He's 21. We're incredibly lucky to have him.

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You're just a shit Dele Alli!
You're just a shit Dele Alli!
You're just a shit Dele Aaaaalli!







I kid. I've actually supported Sissoko through all of the shit he's been getting...
 

Shadydan

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Missing the point much?

If you ban someone for that, you have to ban every single player who does anything similar, in particular swearing.

Article 57 states:

Anyone who insults someone in any way, especially by using offensive gestures or language, or who violates the principles of fair play or whose behaviour is unsporting in any other way may be subject to sanctions in accordance with art. 10 ff.

If they ban someone for gesticulating and can't even prove it was aimed at the ref, then they need to ban anyone swearing at the ref or any other player on the pitch. But they won't will they. You could even argue that it wasn't even unsporting behaviour if Dele says it was aimed at Walker as a joke. We know it was probably aimed at the ref but it's unproven and that's what counts when deciding any punishment.

They need to set a precedent so I understand the ban, totally. Big player, big country so it's high profile. They're setting a precedent so that other players don't follow suit, it makes sense I guess. One match ban is fine, it's a slap on the wrist without going OTT.
 

Japhet

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Exactly... A prime example was Rooney at the weekend. Usual f-ing and blinding at the ref, but as always, the refs don't have the backbone to book a player for it.
The claim was that Alli's gesture (albeit at a team-mate) was witnessed by kids and that's why it's an issue.
Take your kids to a game at any level and they'll hear foul language from players if they're close enough.


Of course kids hear bad language and see rude gestures every day. They do it themselves in every playground. The point is to let them know that it isn't acceptable behaviour, especially from people they look up to like International footballers. The language on the pitch is a bit different in that it often spills over in the heat of the moment and there is always an element of interpretation, as in lip reading. Alli's gesture was 100% not debatable and he was stupid enough to do it on TV which is beamed all over the World. He needs to grow up and cut this sort of shit out and hopefully a ban will help to get it through his skull that everything he does on a football pitch is recorded and available for scrutiny. He's not playing at MK Dons any more and he needs to live up to the responsibility he now carries. It's part of what he gets paid for.
 

bomberH

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They need to set a precedent so I understand the ban, totally. Big player, big country so it's high profile. They're setting a precedent so that other players don't follow suit, it makes sense I guess. One match ban is fine, it's a slap on the wrist without going OTT.

Which is all very well if they stick to it and do the same again and again. Will they do it to a Spanish player if he in any way breaks the article 57 rule in a World Cup semi final? I doubt it but willing to be proved wrong.

Many many players have been caught on tv swearing at referees or other players in international players. It's odd that this is the first time they've banned someone for this kind of thing. It wasn't exactly a Zidane style headbutt. I accept it was a stupid thing to do as I said before, but I can't believe he's been banned for it.
 

Japhet

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Which is all very well if they stick to it and do the same again and again. Will they do it to a Spanish player if he in any way breaks the article 57 rule in a World Cup semi final? I doubt it but willing to be proved wrong.

Many many players have been caught on tv swearing at referees or other players in international players. It's odd that this is the first time they've banned someone for this kind of thing. It wasn't exactly a Zidane style headbutt. I accept it was a stupid thing to do as I said before, but I can't believe he's been banned for it.


They probably could introduce bans for swearing, but 3 a side football wouldn't be much of a spectacle. I think that boat has sailed long ago. Rude gestures are different though. If you let Alli get away with flipping the finger, do you let the next player get away with a 'wanker' gesture? I don't think so. Hopefully it will be nipped in the bud and Alli will get the message that there are cameras everywhere and he needs to wise up a bit sharpish.
 
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