Player Watch: Dele Alli

[dagraham]

Spoilt? SPOILT? So Dele's flaws aren't his to improve, but the fans' faults due to being spoilt. That must be the weakest Dele Alli argument I have seen in writing this season.

He has a anger management issue, which causes him to be ineligible for several matches. IF he is so fantastic and above criticism, then surely stupid red cards should be a major problem, even to the blindest fan.

His first touch, when it is about nudging the ball into the back of the net, is superb. But when it is about receiving the ball on the ground in the final third and moving it onwards to create something dangerous, he stumbles too often like Bambi, and especially in what would have been dangerous situations.

He loses possession too often in the final third in a stumbling, banal sort of way. And Pochettino hates loosing possession.

That being said, Dele easily among our 11 best injury free, match fit-ish players.

Look, plenty of fans seem to think that "supporting a player" means "never ever say a word that is anything less than a flowery, shiny compliment". But that is just not the case. You can still support a player, even if you can't accept some of his mistakes.

Agree. Dele is not above criticism, and has a lot to learn and improve regarding his all round game. The only thing I find irritating is the constant calls by some to drop him. We've seen last season how Poch played him through the bad form and we were rewarded as he clicked into gear and then went up a level.

Besides, we don't have any ready made players to step in who are consistent performers. Son is just as inconsistent and just as frustrating in his all round game sometimes. It's why really we needed another attacking midfielder/forward to really put more pressure on our first 11.

I also agree that he is not ready for the likes of Real and Barca as Bale and Modric were (and dare I say Kane, unfortunately). If we think Spurs fans are hard taskmasters, it's nothing compared to those clubs who are genuinely spoilt with all round technical footballers throughout the squad. All of which is a good thing as we want him here for as long as possible.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Agree. Dele is not above criticism, and has a lot to learn and improve regarding his all round game. The only thing I find irritating is the constant calls by some to drop him. We've seen last season how Poch played him through the bad form and we were rewarded as he clicked into gear and then went up a level.

Besides, we don't have any ready made players to step in who are consistent performers. Son is just as inconsistent and just as frustrating in his all round game sometimes. It's why really we needed another attacking midfielder/forward to really put more pressure on our first 11.

I also agree that he is not ready for the likes of Real and Barca as Bale and Modric were (and dare I say Kane, unfortunately). If we think Spurs fans are hard taskmasters, it's nothing compared to those clubs who are genuinely spoilt with all round technical footballers throughout the squad. All of which is a good thing as we want him here for as long as possible.

Absolutely, there is no point in not playing him under the present circumstances.

 

[double0]

Spoilt? SPOILT? So Dele's flaws aren't his to improve, but the fans' faults due to being spoilt. That must be the weakest Dele Alli argument I have seen in writing this season.

He has an anger management issue, which causes him to be ineligible for several matches. IF he is so fantastic and above criticism, then surely stupid red cards should be a major problem, even to the blindest fan.

His first touch, when it is about nudging the ball into the back of the net, is superb. But when it is about receiving the ball on the ground in the final third and moving it onwards to create something dangerous, he stumbles too often like Bambi, and especially in what would have been dangerous situations.

He loses possession too often in the final third in a stumbling, banal sort of way. And Pochettino hates losing possession.

That being said, Dele is easily among our 11 best injury free, match fit-ish players.

Look, plenty of fans seem to think that "supporting a player" means "never ever say a word that is anything less than a flowery, shiny compliment". But that is just not the case. You can still support a player, even if you can't accept some of his mistakes.

Listen to yourself ...stumbles around like bambi (Have you seen Kane) , anger management issues (not exactly Joey Barton), he losses possession (what player doesn't )

Wow!!!

Alli might as well go. I'm not saying people can't get on his back but I reckon its gone a bit too far, the kids what 20-21yhrs Eriksen Kane Steven Gerrard at his age I doubt was as good. I believe we have a special player (5M) on our hands and it would be nice to support him instead of finding little things to keep beating him with a stick...maybe some of the little petty things will iron out with maturity he is still learning.

I don't think Alli's background was a conventional one. Was he not adopted, he removed his surname from the back of his shirt because he said he had no affiliation with the name....I reckon we need to support Alli allow him a bit more time to become a man.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Listen to yourself ...stumbles around like bambi (Have you seen Kane) , anger management issues (not exactly Joey Barton), he losses possession (what player doesn't )

Wow!!!

Alli might as well go. I'm not saying people can't get on his back but I reckon its gone a bit too far, the kids what 20-21yhrs Eriksen Kane Steven Gerrard at his age I doubt was as good. I believe we have a special player (5M) on our hands and it would be nice to support him instead of finding little things to keep beating him with a stick...maybe some of the little petty things will iron out with maturity he is still learning.

I don't think Alli's background was a conventional one. Was he not adopted, he removed his surname from the back of his shirt because he said he had no affiliation with the name....I reckon we need to support Alli allow him a bit more time to become a man.

Oh, great philosophy you are adapting. I guess you are one of those tho thinks we shouldn't complain about drawing vs. Swansea because there are other clubs who loses way down the conference league.

Every professional player who reaches the levels Dele can reach arrives there because they are perfectionists who knows nothing else but to constantly improve. No player at this level has ever reached their absolute best by saying "oh, but Barton is angrier me and by the way, did you see my goal tally last year?".

Supporting a player isn't the same as only talking about what he does correctly. It isn't support to say "great job man, you scored back in August, so nothing but praise for you". It is support to say, "you know what, you've got some improvement to work on and I fully believe you can do it".

And finally, every person, footballer or otherwise, has their own life story, good or bad. But on the pitch, they are all the same. You wouldn't say "Player X should do better because his mama loves him but player Y is excused because he hates his dad". They are all fortunate, lucky kids who are awarded very well doing their hobby as a full-time job, and with that, there comes responsibilities. Such as learning when to not get a stupid red card and how to reduce the number of times a big chance is wasted due to banal mistakes.

 

[dontcallme]

Listen to yourself ...stumbles around like bambi (Have you seen Kane) , anger management issues (not exactly Joey Barton), he losses possession (what player doesn't )

Wow!!!

Alli might as well go. I'm not saying people can't get on his back but I reckon its gone a bit too far, the kids what 20-21yhrs Eriksen Kane Steven Gerrard at his age I doubt was as good. I believe we have a special player (5M) on our hands and it would be nice to support him instead of finding little things to keep beating him with a stick...maybe some of the little petty things will iron out with maturity he is still learning.

I don't think Alli's background was a conventional one. Was he not adopted, he removed his surname from the back of his shirt because he said he had no affiliation with the name....I reckon we need to support Alli allow him a bit more time to become a man.

This is where things get lost in internet discussions. Unless we all do SP style long posts covering all bases then posts will come across as simply negative or positive.

My view on Alli is he is one of the best young talents in the world. Through his goalscoring,assists and phyicality he has been able to make a big impact from a young age.

Naturally he has not yet developed his all round game and as a fan who wants the best for our team and its players I will post about things he does poorly or needs to improve. I will do this for our best and weakest players.

As a young player he doesn't yet have the experience to deal with all the different situations he finds himself in.

In time he will deal with situations better. He already has in one respect. Opposing fans often say he has a temper and they need to wind him up. He has started winding people up back and getting the opposition riled up rather than the other way around.

There are times when he lazy on the ball and needs to play the simple option more. But at the same time he is clearly a goal threat so needs to play.

I will support Alli but on an internet discussion I am happy to discuss his flaws. And frankly I am not going to write a post as long as this everytime just so I have shown given a balanced view.

If occasionally some posts are concentrating on the negative and areas for improvement this is not being pessimistic or not seeing the good, it's just discussion.

 

[tommyt]

I love him, but at times he tries to be too fancy / cute and gives up possession easily. That would probably be my only criticism and he can hopefully manage that a lot better with experience.

 

[cider spurs]

I'll put it out there...

If Alli had done all he has thus far in a Spurs shirt, but played for another top 6 Prem club.Would you want him for £5 million?.







EXACTLY!!.

 

[tommyt]

I'll put it out there...

If Alli had done all he has thus far in a Spurs shirt, but played for another top 6 Prem club.Would you want him for £5 million?.







EXACTLY!!.

All upfront or installments?

 

[Shadydan]

I'll put it out there...

If Alli had done all he has thus far in a Spurs shirt, but played for another top 6 Prem club.Would you want him for £5 million?.







EXACTLY!!.

He wouldn't cost £5m but I see your point

We'd be clamoring for him and typically our fans would be bemoaning the fact that we should have been in there, the criticism comes from people who literally over analyse his game to the nth degree which is what I find ridiculous if you ask me, I'm glad our manager isn't like that personally.

 

[dontcallme]

I'll put it out there...

If Alli had done all he has thus far in a Spurs shirt, but played for another top 6 Prem club.Would you want him for £5 million?.

EXACTLY!!.

Other than OPModric who is suggesting we don't want him?

Alli has great talents and flaws. As geeks discussing our player on the internet we are going to discuss every angle of the player.

Doesn't mean we don't want him.

 

[dontcallme]

He wouldn't cost £5m but I see your point

We'd be clamoring for him and typically our fans would be bemoaning the fact that we should have been in there, the criticism comes from people who literally over analyse his game to the nth degree which is what I find ridiculous if you ask me, I'm glad our manager isn't like that personally.

Fans and managers aren't supposed to be the same.

The manager needs to ensure he is playing to his strengths at the same time as getting him to work on all aspects of his game and continually improve.

As fans online can discuss what we want. Seems the perfect place to over analyse a player.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Ultimately, this discussion isn't about Kane, the anger of Joey Barton, the price tag of Dele in 2014 or 100 things in football that's worse than Dele, nor is it a competition for the title of the most sanctimonious fan. It's about Dele not playing to his full potential so far this season, and it's OK to say that without being met with blind and naive wrath.

 

[dontcallme]

Ultimately, this discussion isn't about Kane, the anger of Joey Barton, the price tag of Dele in 2014 or 100 things in football that's worse than Dele, nor is it a competition for the title of the most sanctimonious fan. It's about Dele not playing to his full potential so far this season, and it's OK to say that without being met with blind and naive wrath.

I think it needs to be mandatory for every human being showing any sign of not being able to read any negativity to read The Wave.

 

[dontcallme]

I think it needs to be mandatory for every human being showing any sign of not being able to read any negativity to read The Wave.

 

[StanSpur]

Quite simple, he hasn't started the season in the best form. Erisken didn't start last season in the best form either but was still over the season one of, if not the, best players in the team. All players (with the exception of Kane it seems) have dips in form and can take their foot of the gas from time to time or get a little complacent. Its the managers job to help them turn that around and get back to their best.

 

[cider spurs]

Other than OPModric who is suggesting we don't want him?

Alli has great talents and flaws. As geeks discussing our player on the internet we are going to discuss every angle of the player.

Doesn't mean we don't want him.

Don't recall stating that anybody said they didn't want him. More highlighted the reason as to why we would.

Namely past exploits in a Spurs shirt.

Room for improvement? ...Heck yeah. But time on his side one would suggest.

 

[Shadydan]

Fans and managers aren't supposed to be the same.

The manager needs to ensure he is playing to his strengths at the same time as getting him to work on all aspects of his game and continually improve.

As fans online can discuss what we want. Seems the perfect place to over analyse a player.

Managers are meant to over analyse, that's what they get paid for. I'm sure Pochettino studies all facets of Alli's game and is perfectly aware that he needs to take care of the ball better in the final 3rd as well as play himself out of this form but I'm pretty sure Pochettino sees more positives than negatives in him which is why he continually plays him, calls for selling him and dropping him are pretty ridiculous if you ask me...I know you didn't say that so there's no need to take me posts as some sort of personal attack on you, but it's been said recently and it's been said before when he's been out of form.

 

[dontcallme]

Managers are meant to over analyse, that's what they get paid for. I'm sure Pochettino studies all facets of Alli's game and is perfectly aware that he needs to take care of the ball better in the final 3rd as well as play himself out of this form but I'm pretty sure Pochettino sees more positives than negatives in him which is why he continually plays him, calls for selling him and dropping him are pretty ridiculous if you ask me...I know you didn't say that so there's no need to take me posts as some sort of personal attack on you, but it's been said recently and it's been said before when he's been out of form.

Please quote posts suggesting Alli should be sold. I don't believe they exist.

 

[Shadydan]

Please quote posts suggesting Alli should be sold. I don't believe they exist.

Other forums dude, speaking to other Spurs fans, social media etc.. not sure if there are posts in here.

I don't literally speak about posters on SC when I talk about the general feeling towards Alli...but there is a common theme as there is with all players amongst the fan base to go for the extreme circumstance in dropping him from the team or getting rid all together.

 

[dontcallme]

Other forums dude, speaking to other Spurs fans, social media etc.. not sure if there are posts in here.

I don't literally speak about posters on SC when I talk about the general feeling towards Alli...but there is a common theme as there is with all players amongst the fan base to go for the extreme circumstance in dropping him from the team or getting rid all together.

Well there's your mistake, you have treated Twitter posters like they are real people sharing an opinion rather than just people looking for a reaction.

There aren't posts in here because the hyperbolic bs gets pulled up very quickly.

The reason I come here is because there is a level of rationality that is not present on Twitter or the loudmouth twat at the game or the pub.

So yeah not really interested in their attention seeking views and don't see how it is relevant on the SC forum.