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Lee82

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I liked Dier in a back three when we played 3421 in the 16/17 season but last season we pretty much played 4231 every game and I’m not convinced of him in a back two. However I’ve not see him there for a while maybe he would be more suited to the CB role now having hopefully improved with age and further training.
 

Bulletspur

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I expect a lot of neg and spam reps for this but...….I have always insisted that Dier in the midfield is very much overhyped and is portrayed better than he actually is by our fans. Not saying that he is not good, but not as good as most make him out to be playing in Midfield. Is it now just a coincident that he is now the subject of many debates of not being good enough for England's first team as a midfielder, where most are saying he should be replaced by Henderson in that role?

Love that he is ours and that he is representing England credibly, but praises etc attributed to him is most times over the top. Its just the way I have always felt about him, so just my opinion.
 
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Tottenham_God

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I expect a lot of neg and spam reps for this but...….I have always insisted that Dier in the midfield is very much overhyped and is portrayed better than he actually is by our fans. Not saying that he is not good, but not as good as most make him out to be playing in Midfield. Is it now just a coincident that he is now the subject of many debates of not being good enough for England's first team as a midfielder, where most are saying he should be replaced by Henderson in that role?

Love that he is ours and that he is representing England credibly, but praises etc attributed to him is most times over the top. Its just the way I have always felt about him, so just my opinion.
I whole heartedly agree.

Let's hope our CM situation is better next season. Winks kicks on, the lord of Kenya back to his best and Kovacic in ect. So he has little choice, bench/back up or CB.
 

morris25

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Is it me or does Dier make Henderson look world class. Looks like he's out for a Sunday jog when he plays for England
 

Hengy1

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Wouldn’t say he’s perfect but he’s definatley a CB who can also do a job in a double pivot when needed.

The problem is that’s he’s only our 4th best CB at this time... Juan could be barking at his neck next ?
I mean perfect as in he’s got all the characteristics there. He’s got a lot to learn.
 

Japhet

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Presents a real head scratcher for Poch. I'm sure his character is a massive + and Poch wants him on the pitch, but where? I'm assuming we'll be without Toby and Moose next season so.......
IMO Wanyama is the better DM in either a CM3 or pivot, and Winks in the better CM in a 2 with Vic and we'll probably buy a creative CM if Moose leaves. Dier can play the CM dropping to CB which normally puts him in the middle of the back 3 where Sanchez is better. Vertonghen/Sanchez is out best CB2 pairing, so no room there. He occasionally pulls an absolute peach of a pass out of the bag (to Alli v Chelsea), but overall his long passing is too erratic and he's no Pirlo.

I think his best position is RCB in a 3 and I'd really like to see what Foyth could do at DM because he just seems a better passer and a more composed player than Dier. Difficult one for the Boss.
 

Spurrific

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Maybe choose a different time to dig him out - bit of an odd one when he’s just scored the winning penalty for England at the World Cup.

No wonder people think our fans are twats, lads.
 

Hengy1

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Could this be more wrong and spurs biased if it tried.

England became so visibly worse when Dier came on and was put in Henderson’s role last night, and then improved again the minute he was put back into defence and Henderson put back into that central Cm role.

That was a glaring example of stuff said in here by a few of us, and it happens to us (Spurs) with Dier. Just when you need to see out a game you’ve dominated, and need someone alert, composed, dynamic and metronomic who’ll keep showing for the ball and starve the opposition of momentum, Dier just retreats, drags the game backwards, invites pressure, doesnt want to play football (it was his pass backwards pass that put Walker under pressure for example - when he'd received the ball in acres of space with Trippier calling for it, but he miss-controlled it, panicked and went backwards instead.)

Literally England's worst spell of that game coincided almost entirely with Dier's introduction to midfield and then subsided with his removal.

And it's not like Henderson was brilliant either.
I’m pretty sure you’ve missed read the comment.
 

Luka Van der Bale

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So unbalanced we had our best finish in the league for 60 years. I don't even know what that means? Did him dropping back ten yards cause a starboard list?
What? Our best form with Wanyama by far came with him in front of a back 3 and playing a purely midfield role. When he’s been asked to play in front of a back 4, drop back and split the centre backs, he’s looked uncomfortable and we haven’t looked the same team as when Dier is in that role. It’s a pretty widely held opinion by a lot of people - not sure why you’re surprised to hear it.
 

Bus-Conductor

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What? Our best form with Wanyama by far came with him in front of a back 3 and playing a purely midfield role. When he’s been asked to play in front of a back 4, drop back and split the centre backs, he’s looked uncomfortable and we haven’t looked the same team as when Dier is in that role. It’s a pretty widely held opinion by a lot of people - not sure why you’re surprised to hear it.

A lot of who though ? It's not a matter of being surprised, it's amateur of knowing it's not really true, or at best a massive exaggeration, and there are a shit load of of games to evidence that Dier has been piss poor when playing that role (2cb's behind splitting). An even wider head opinion is that Wanyama is better as a CM in any format we play than Dier. I'm surprised you haven't heard that.
 

glospur

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA blaming Dier for Walker miscontrolling a football and having a complete lack of awareness.

And then also blaming Dier because Southgate obviously told the whole team to drop deep, stay compact and defend a 1-0 lead in the last 10 minutes.

Jordan Henderson's penalty? That was probably Dier's fault as well.

Seriously, how do people take this kind of shit seriously? It would be a joke if it wasn't so mind-numbingly tedious and so fucking obviously stemming from bias. It's pretty much just a self-parody now.
 

Donki

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Could this be more wrong and spurs biased if it tried.

England became so visibly worse when Dier came on and was put in Henderson’s role last night, and then improved again the minute he was put back into defence and Henderson put back into that central Cm role.

That was a glaring example of stuff said in here by a few of us, and it happens to us (Spurs) with Dier. Just when you need to see out a game you’ve dominated, and need someone alert, composed, dynamic and metronomic who’ll keep showing for the ball and starve the opposition of momentum, Dier just retreats, drags the game backwards, invites pressure, doesnt want to play football (it was his pass backwards pass that put Walker under pressure for example - when he'd received the ball in acres of space with Trippier calling for it, but he miss-controlled it, panicked and went backwards instead.)

Literally England's worst spell of that game coincided almost entirely with Dier's introduction to midfield and then subsided with his removal.

And it's not like Henderson was brilliant either.

Walker shouldn't be playing at CB, that's the problem with Walker. Dier was brought on to see the game out, probably instructed by the manager to do that and to keep possession of the ball. I can guarantee you if Walker was still our player you would be slating the fuck out of him for "switching off"...
 

Bus-Conductor

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Walker shouldn't be playing at CB, that's the problem with Walker. Dier was brought on to see the game out, probably instructed by the manager to do that and to keep possession of the ball. I can guarantee you if Walker was still our player you would be slating the fuck out of him for "switching off"...

Not sure that's fair, Walker joining City hasn't stopped me slating him.
 

Reado

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Love this video from BBC's 360 camera. When Pickford saves Bacca's penalty the team celebrate, but you can see Dier (#4) focused, strolling up for his penalty. He was never going to miss.
 

longtimespur

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Just following on from the previous post........ Not the right thread but why does Trippier blame himself for their goal when it was Henderson who let the scorer run free and get a clear head to the ball?
 

Johnny J

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Just following on from the previous post........ Not the right thread but why does Trippier blame himself for their goal when it was Henderson who let the scorer run free and get a clear head to the ball?
Cos he's a decent guy who takes responsibility.

Also, they were both at fault. Trippier misjudged the bounce. If he had just stood up straight it wouldn't have gone in.

On topic, Eric looks a bit more jacked these days.
 
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