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Eric Dier

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA blaming Dier for Walker miscontrolling a football and having a complete lack of awareness.

And then also blaming Dier because Southgate obviously told the whole team to drop deep, stay compact and defend a 1-0 lead in the last 10 minutes.

Jordan Henderson's penalty? That was probably Dier's fault as well.

Seriously, how do people take this kind of shit seriously? It would be a joke if it wasn't so mind-numbingly tedious and so fucking obviously stemming from bias. It's pretty much just a self-parody now.

Im not blaming Dier for Walker's error, Walker has never needed any help there, but that passage, in fact Dier's whole cameo in that game at CM, was a great example of what I'd said previously. His uncomfortableness under pressure - in this case minimal pressure - puts pressure on the team. England were on the attack, in Columbia's half, Dier was in acres of space with options, and it ends up with Columbia baring down on Englands's goal.

You have no idea what Gareth Southgate told them to do, but he definitely didn't tell the team to drop deep, managers rarely do, they don't want to invite the kind of pressure that leads to exactly what happened. Poch has said the same numerous times, that dropping deep, and stopping playing football, is not something he tells the team to do, it's invariably just player instinct. And Dier is often a major facilitator of this.

If you have trouble taking me seriously, then listen to Michael Cox (Zonal Marking.net football analyst and author/writer) on the Totally Football Podcast after the England game. He says exactly the same thing. Dier's appearance in CM completely changed Engalnd's dynamics and as soon as he was put back in defence and Henderson put back in the centre of midfield England got a hold of the game again and started playing football again.

I think it speaks volumes that a player as ordinary as Henderson is rightly being preferred to Dier, especially in a CM3 with two AM's as 8's.
 

CheeseGromit

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Im not blaming Dier for Walker's error, Walker has never needed any help there, but that passage, in fact Dier's whole cameo in that game at CM, was a great example of what I'd said previously. His uncomfortableness under pressure - in this case minimal pressure - puts pressure on the team. England were on the attack, in Columbia's half, Dier was in acres of space with options, and it ends up with Columbia baring down on Englands's goal.

You have no idea what Gareth Southgate told them to do, but he definitely didn't tell the team to drop deep, managers rarely do, they don't want to invite the kind of pressure that leads to exactly what happened. Poch has said the same numerous times, that dropping deep, and stopping playing football, is not something he tells the team to do, it's invariably just player instinct. And Dier is often a major facilitator of this.

If you have trouble taking me seriously, then listen to Michael Cox (Zonal Marking.net football analyst and author/writer) on the Totally Football Podcast after the England game. He says exactly the same thing. Dier's appearance in CM completely changed Engalnd's dynamics and as soon as he was put back in defence and Henderson put back in the centre of midfield England got a hold of the game again and started playing football again.

I think it speaks volumes that a player as ordinary as Henderson is rightly being preferred to Dier, especially in a CM3 with two AM's as 8's.

I really dont get this

You state " You have no idea what Gareth Southgate told them to do, the say " he definitely didn't tell the team to drop deep, managers rarely do" How do you know that. Your assumption may be correct but you dont know Completely contradictory.

I continually bat on about it being a team game and that players have different roles in the team. Dier clearly does not play the same role as Henderson therefore they are not direct comparisons. The selection is based on the way Southgate has set the team to play. He changed that in the last 10 minutes of the game(s) we have played

Dier as said before is far more intelligent than than many in the way he plays. I think thats the way Poch also sees it

For me he does a decent job, not without fault but is capable in the Spurs set up and I am for one happy with that
 

Capocrimini

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I like Diers mentality, id hope we fight to keep players like that in our squad and team. Cant forget he is 24 and will only improve under Poch.
 

Hengy1

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I think great is overstating some what. No one was great today.

He was very poor first half and good second.

He wasn’t unlucky not to score it was a poor touch that took him to close meaning all he could do was chip it like that.

Still off the opinion he’s not good enough as a midfielder and needs to move back into CB ASAP
 

Colonel_Klinck

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He played well. Unlucky not to score. England need to find a creative outlet that plays next to or Henderson or Dier. They both can pass the ball well but aren’t a KDB/Modric. Having a player like that takes pressure off the DM.
 

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Has had a great game today, unlucky not to score.

His passing has been crisp too.

Go watch him ambling about for both of their goals.

He was so bad first half, Southgate swapped him and Stones over for the first twenty minutes of the second half.

He had a couple a good moments, and about 85 lethargic ones.

If that’s a great game, Lingard was Johan Cruyff.
 

cliff jones

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well done Eric for a fine display today, shame the greedy fck got that off the line, would have capped it off nicely
 

Johnny J

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Bumping this. What the hell has happened to Dier? He was awful v United last night. He was never incredibly mobile, but now he just strolls around the center circle a lot of the time. He didn't snuff out danger, he didn't make interceptions, and I honestly can't remember him even having the ball much. Dembele carried him in the second half.

I kept thinking, what is he actually adding here? We would have been better playing Winks next to Dembele.

I prefer him at CB, but surely he has to up his game.
 

Primativ

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He was terrible. A total passenger. He really needs to up his game, he played like he wasn't even trying. Strolling around, very passive.

Dier doesn't have the outstanding technical ability of some other CMs which means he can afford to be lazy. If he isn't putting in 110% off the ball, he's basically useless.

I really hope he improves, as I said in match thread, he is the clear and outstanding candidate in the side we should be looking to upgrade. A proper top CDM or Wanyama back in form, in place of Dier, would make us much stronger.

Dier must improve, because as it stands right now, he isn't very good.
 

dtxspurs

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He was terrible. A total passenger. He really needs to up his game, he played like he wasn't even trying. Strolling around, very passive.

Dier doesn't have the outstanding technical ability of some other CMs which means he can afford to be lazy. If he isn't putting in 110% off the ball, he's basically useless.

I really hope he improves, as I said in match thread, he is the clear and outstanding candidate in the side we should be looking to upgrade. A proper top CDM or Wanyama back in form, in place of Dier, would make us much stronger.

Dier must improve, because as it stands right now, he isn't very good.
He was certainly poor in the game last night. It's disappointing as I do think he shows some really strong ability at points and he does act as another leader on the field, you can often see him organizing the players ahead of him. He really needs to step it up in the consistency. I think it really is effort, he needs to be all over the field making tackles and then just playing simple passes more often. He is capable of some really incredible passes but I think he tries it too often.
 

Primativ

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He was certainly poor in the game last night. It's disappointing as I do think he shows some really strong ability at points and he does act as another leader on the field, you can often see him organizing the players ahead of him. He really needs to step it up in the consistency. I think it really is effort, he needs to be all over the field making tackles and then just playing simple passes more often. He is capable of some really incredible passes but I think he tries it too often.


I really do not think he is a good passer at all. Yes he makes the very very rare great pass, but as you say, look at how many times he attempts those passes and they don't come off. It's a very poor success to failure ratio.

When you have a player of Dier's limited technical ability playing so passively, he really is a complete passenger.
 

nicdic

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I notice that there were no posts at all when he had good games against Newcastle and Fulham, but now there's posts...
 

Primativ

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With Toby back in I’m not sure Dier is going to have too much of a look in at CB. Two, possibly three options better than him there although he is still a very good centre half.

With Moura doing well up front I wonder if we could try 352 again in more games with Dembele, Wanyama and Winks as CM options behind Eriksen and Dele.

I don't think Dier has played nearly enough at CB to be classed as very good. I'm pretty sure it must be less than 5% of his total appearances for Spurs have been at CB.

Poch must be hoping he plays his way back into form as we have no other options there.
 

Led's Zeppelin

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I was speaking to a pal of mine who's an ex-Leeds Utd (fringe) player this afternoon who said Dier really impressed him last night. He said he's one of those players who reads the game so intelligently that his positioning makes it difficult for the opposition to make the attacking moves they want to, which is why they so often end up taking snap-shots that they rarely score from. He reckons he was the main reason why Utd had a good number of shots but very few clear-cut scoring opportunities that you can really say they should have scored from.

I'd have to watch the whole game again to see if I agree with him, but I always respect his opinion. He's one of the least biased observers I've ever spoken to.

I do think Dier is under-appreciated, both for Spurs and England.
 
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