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wrd

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I think Sissoko is underestimated defensively, he moves around the pitch like a madman closing players down and intercepting which is something that Dier isn't as good at, he also covers the rb superbly which in our system is vital. On top of that transitionally he's better and offers more going forward. I think Dier is well regarded by Poch as a manager on the pitch and also he's better in the air, especially from opposing team goalkicks. Personally I feel like Sissoko edges him defensively, I wish I could check this out on Squawka but they've fucked their site up.
 

dagraham

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Don't know where to put him. The issue of playing several positions OK, but not great at any of them.

I’ve held this view for a while, even before the emergence of Winks and Sissoko this season.

I still wouldn’t want us to sell him as I think he’s an important played for the squad due to his versatility and attitude, but the problem is I don’t think he’d be happy long term to be the team/squad utility player.
 

coys200

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This. CM is still the spot most in need of upgrading in the Summer.its just that Dier has dropped back in the list imo

Is it though really ? Are there really that many better realistic targets than Sissoko/winks. Just think they work fantastically together. Apart from obvious in PL De Bruyne Silva I’m struggling to think of anyone I’d rather have in our CM right now. The only thing sissoko/winks really lack is goals + assists.
 

Led's Zeppelin

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Anyone advocating selling Dier, it would help if you’d name the player, specifically, who would be available to us as an upgrade before we can judge whether it makes sense.

In my opinion he’s an unusually gifted player who is very easy to underestimate. He has that very rare combination of qualities; adapatability, undaunted determination (sometimes called passion), huge physical presence and above all, a high level of tactical intelligence.

He doesn’t need to do spectacular things to have an important impact on a game. I’m sure there are better players - there always are unless you’re talking about Messi - but who exactly would we buy if we sold him?
 

dontcallme

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Sell Dier?

NOPE!!!

Agree.

Naturally circumstance will play a part as to whether he wants to stay.

Playing in 4 competitions with his versatility he will get plenty of game time, especially as we rarely have a fully fit squad.

If he can handle playing different positions and not always getting a straight run of games he could be an excellent squad player for us.

If he wants to leave then fine, but we certainly shouldn’t look to cash in.
 

wrd

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Anyone advocating selling Dier, it would help if you’d name the player, specifically, who would be available to us as an upgrade before we can judge whether it makes sense.

In my opinion he’s an unusually gifted player who is very easy to underestimate. He has that very rare combination of qualities; adapatability, undaunted determination (sometimes called passion), huge physical presence and above all, a high level of tactical intelligence.

He doesn’t need to do spectacular things to have an important impact on a game. I’m sure there are better players - there always are unless you’re talking about Messi - but who exactly would we buy if we sold him?

I do think that's why Poch values him so highly, he's basically a captain on the pitch and his presence isn't necessarily in pure footballing ability. Although I don't think we should be saying who can we get that would be better, I hate when we at spurs do this, we say who can we get that could improve us but end of the day we haven't won the quadruple. Unless you're winning absolutely everything there is always room for improvement.
 

TheHoddleWaddle

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Dier offers flexibility in where you play him. When you have a relatively smaller squad, I think you need a few utility type players that can help plug holes. With Wanyama being out for so long there isn't much CM cover. That said, I tend to agree he is a defender more than a CDM. Especially as he does have a tendency to give the ball away cheaply.

But, with the game evolving, where the modern CB is required to ping the ball about like Pirlo, Dier doesn't have that skill set. Hes more of an old fashioned CB, albeit mobile.

As Trix alluded to, he has already thought about leaving when it looked like he'd be playing as CB. So will he want to be a utility squad player? As I wouldn't want Poch to break up the blossoming Winks / Wanyama axis. That would require a player of spectacular calibre, Dier isn't it.

He'll get games over a season, of course, but I don't think he has a first team place like before.
 

dontcallme

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Anyone advocating selling Dier, it would help if you’d name the player, specifically, who would be available to us as an upgrade before we can judge whether it makes sense.

In my opinion he’s an unusually gifted player who is very easy to underestimate. He has that very rare combination of qualities; adapatability, undaunted determination (sometimes called passion), huge physical presence and above all, a high level of tactical intelligence.

He doesn’t need to do spectacular things to have an important impact on a game. I’m sure there are better players - there always are unless you’re talking about Messi - but who exactly would we buy if we sold him?

I am no scout, not someone looking to sell Dier but Rice seems a good player with a bit more dynamism than Dier.
 

IfiHadTheWings

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Dier is one of those players you want on your side when it is on top, he never allows his team mates to be physically intimidated and was a key component in us losing our soft underbelly and for that I would always have him in the squad.

Plus I love Eric Dier & he loves me.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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Might not be so awkward in the summer. I'm not saying we should desperately dump him but he is a difficult one to fit in. I don't think he is a player that happily sits at the sidelines to be back-up.
All trophy winning teams have players like Dier. Feisty, bossy, somewhat excitement-less but useful and invested. He is still youngish, he is English, and he fights. What is not to like.

It's so typical though. When we are doing relatively speaking well, fans want to sell all those not playing for a while. When we are doing relatively bad, fans go "we would have needed Dier (or whoever) over the last x matches".

Look, Dier is as English as breakfast tea. And equally, breakfast tea is not an exciting drink. But it can be drunk in various ways, and more importantly, it is very useful.
 

yido_number1

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Talk of Dier not being good enough is crazy. This is a classic case of a player being injured and forgetting what he brings. We need 4 strong CM's and to my mind Wanyama is the one that will make way. Dier, Sissoko, Winks and hopefully a quality ball playing box to box will be perfect.

Dier's ability to become the third CB mid game is something none of our other CB's offer and was something we were using really well previously. I would definitely try to move Wanyama on this summer if at all possible.
 

Mr Pink

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Sissoko and Winks are the first choice pairing now, personally I think they're a really nice blend with the power and workrate of Moussa and Winks ability to recycle the ball and tick us over - he's also a shitload of tenacity as well.

Dier is a great versatile option to have in our squad though, no doubt about it, but one of the reasons we've been able to dig results out, of late, is the Winks/Sissoko partnership.

I think they'll be even better next season as well. But that combination of power and ball playing ability is massive, and it's a key factor in us becoming a formidable side.
 

spurs9

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A utility player that can play CM and drop into CB seamlessly that is also a leader with a personality that is perfect for our squad.....why would you contemplate selling a player with all of those attributes. It's absolute madness IMO.
 

Led's Zeppelin

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Sissoko and Winks are the first choice pairing now, personally I think they're a really nice blend with the power and workrate of Moussa and Winks ability to recycle the ball and tick us over - he's also a shitload of tenacity as well.

Dier is a great versatile option to have in our squad though, no doubt about it, but one of the reasons we've been able to dig results out, of late, is the Winks/Sissoko partnership.

I think they'll be even better next season as well. But that combination of power and ball playing ability is massive, and it's a me factor in is becoming a formidable side.


That’s a great post.

Fell apart a bit in the final moments but the points were in the bag by then anyway!
 

Hakkz

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Anyone advocating selling Dier, it would help if you’d name the player, specifically, who would be available to us as an upgrade before we can judge whether it makes sense.

In my opinion he’s an unusually gifted player who is very easy to underestimate. He has that very rare combination of qualities; adapatability, undaunted determination (sometimes called passion), huge physical presence and above all, a high level of tactical intelligence.

He doesn’t need to do spectacular things to have an important impact on a game. I’m sure there are better players - there always are unless you’re talking about Messi - but who exactly would we buy if we sold him?

That would entirely depend on what type of player to bring in. It's not about replacing like for like.
 

Led's Zeppelin

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That would entirely depend on what type of player to bring in. It's not about replacing like for like.

Indeed, but the same could be said of virtually any player.

If you’re going to recommend selling a player, let’s have some realistic specific suggestions about how the team will be improved as a result.
 

Primativ

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Dier wasn’t playing very well before his injury. Not well at all. Him being out injured for a few months hasn’t changed that.

In fact it’s been around 12 to 18 months of meh performances and decline really.

Many of us were saying he was the most upgradable player we had in the first 11. He’s a squad option but he’s certainly not a shoe in to get back in. I feel Sissoko is undroppable so that leaves a choice of Winks or Dier for the remaining spot.
 
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