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Player Watch: Erik Lamela

TwanYid

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Lack of end product. Ask yourself this, If we need a goal & we bring lamela on do you honestly think that strikes fear into the opposition in a way it would if say a Mahrez, Bale or even Son was coming on (or whoever the next upcoming version of these players are, I have never seen Malcolm play so can't comment on him personally).
If we are aiming (and due to the incredible job MP has done we are) to win big trophies and compete with city etc & the elite clubs in Europe then this is the standard we are looking for.
A player who was ok for us in the past now becomes vulnerable. Tough but ambitious. Thats where we are as a club.
Add in his injury record etc and contract situation.
Me personally, I like him, appreciate his work effort etc and the boy clearly has bags of talent. That said I have never seen an AM so shy around the goal, hesitant to get shots off and react in the box. Is he more of a freestyler (who works very hard) than a premiership goal threat? I'm still unsure. (I know this won't be popular but just being honest).
MP won't be concerned with who can wind up jack whilshere to the pleasure of the fans, he's looking to add extra goals & matchwinners to his attacking options. Add 10 points to our current total.
Sometimes popular players leave for the good of the club. To me he's a decent squad option and I live in hope he will get more dynamic around the box but MP will know what he's doing & if he is sacrificed and replaced with someone the club think have a higher celine than for me it's happy days as just shows his far we have come and what a good place we are in as a club.

This is a nuanced response and you raise fair points: for the fact is that no, I don't see him as a game changer offensively- someone who strikes terror into the hearts of the opposition a la a Son (or- hopefully- a Lucas). But I would argue that that's not his job. Stay with me here.

Yes, he's an Attacking Mid- and AM's are supposed to get goals, which he just plain does not. I won't even argue that. BUT- and this is a big "but"- while he doesn't strike fear, he does strike dread. Meaning, when he comes on you know he could if not score than at least contribute to a goal- which he often does. The quintessence of Lamela was that half turn against Juve away- the one that freed up Dele- that led to the foul- that resulted in Eriksen blasting it home. LAMELA made that play- everyone else contributed to it. I'm sorry, but that is not nothing; indeed, that's very much something. A huge, massive, potentially club-altering "something." Had we won that tie, just think of the difference it would've made to our club. And he would've been a major factor in that reality (not to mention- without going too far afield- we did lose back at home in the match in which Lamela didn't start-- but we'll leave that one alone...)

Is Lamela a game-changer off the bench late in the game? Well, for that matter is Christian Eriksen? I mean yeah, maybe more than Lamela, but still, not really: at least not in the way, say, Bale was. Neither Eriksen nor Lamela are straight-up goal scorers (though I'll grant you that Eriksen is terrifying weapon when it comes to us having a free kick from just outside the area). My point is that not every player is a Son or a Bale.

I honestly think that the problem most people who don't care for Lamela have lies in the fact that he COULD BE a Bale or a Son or a Mahrez, but it's almost as if he chooses not to be; as if he's hiding from his own talent. It's weird-- one gets the feeling that he could be a prodigious goal scorer but he's almost "shy" in a way- and so unselfish that he just looks to pass every time when he could- and sometimes should- shoot. That's the issue-- that his offensive potential doesn't jibe with his lack of output. He has "end-product"- if by end-product you count him making goals for others. But as for him banging in goals- well, thus far he never really has- and one wonders if he ever really will. It's as if he's afraid of his own ability.

Lastly, let me say this: who would scare you more to produce a goal in the last twenty minutes of a match: Erik Lamela or Danny Wellbeck? Well, admittedly it'd be Wellbeck. But ask yourself this: who would you rather have on your team: Danny Wellbeck or Erik Lamela? So my point is that- while he's not a terror-inducer in terms of coming on late and bagging a goal- he's a far better player- and does ten times more for us than Danny Wellbeck ever could or would.

To wit: Lamela happens to be a part, one in which the whole itself is better than the sum of his parts, lol.
 
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Vulcan10

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Fair enough mate. I think in effect our two opinions cover the two sides of this.
You make some good points about why you like him, my points cover why he is someone we could be looking to upgrade.
He is a complex one. His positives mixed with his limitations in my opinion make him a squad player.
He did well winning the penalty at Liverpool for example and away in a cauldron like Turin he was someone Poch could trust so i don't disbute his uses but when he came on for example at 0-0 away at Southampton he squandered 3 or 4 great positions in and around the box to get good strikes off, instead doing flicks and faints that led to nothing, or taking an extra touch in front of the open net from 3 yards because he lacks a goal scoring instinct. It is these aspects that mean I edge on upgrade, especially if we could find that special match winner we have been lacking since Bale left. Each to their own of course, it is perception and opinions that help make the game what it is.
 

seanwhite1961

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This is a nuanced response and you raise fair points: for the fact is that no, I don't see him as a game changer offensively- someone who strikes terror into the hearts of the opposition a la a Son (or- hopefully- a Lucas). But I would argue that that's not his job. Stay with me here.
Almost literally, that's his job. That is why we were all overjoyed to see him signed as part of the money gained from selling Bale. He was the attacking midfielder scoring goals, largely what Son is. Now, completely outclassed by Son.

There is no disguising that. He has been an utter failure. That posters here see work rate and yellow cards as a sign of repositioning is that sign of utter failure. The Paul Stewart of the 2010s.

He will be back in Italy in a year. I judged Gomes as the same failure, this is only different with the injuries. Even so, you think it's not for him. Gomes out of his class, Lamela out of his depth.
 

jezz

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Ok? I never mentioned skilful. But even if he is when does he do it in matches? I'm sorry but he simply doesn't have the acceleration to bear his man so that "skill" is pretty useless



Yes it's a squad game but he's still 4th soon to be 5th choice, why would one base an opinion of whether he's a squad player or not off the fact he started one game? Also Juve wasn't one of the biggest games in our history.



lol
So playing Juventus in Turin in the CL isn't one of biggest games in our recent history?
Care to mention these other games you think we're bigger?
4th soon to be 5th choice based on what? Do you have regular chats with Poch and claim to be ITK?
I bet you were saying that Lamela is useless and so slow when he picked up the ball on the half way line against City played a through ball that cut out 5 City players to allow Eriksen to score the winner.
Here's the thing a football accelerators faster than any player, so that little bit of skill and vision can cut any defence in half.
The first half yard is in your head.
 

jezz

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Almost literally, that's his job. That is why we were all overjoyed to see him signed as part of the money gained from selling Bale. He was the attacking midfielder scoring goals, largely what Son is. Now, completely outclassed by Son.

There is no disguising that. He has been an utter failure. That posters here see work rate and yellow cards as a sign of repositioning is that sign of utter failure. The Paul Stewart of the 2010s.

He will be back in Italy in a year. I judged Gomes as the same failure, this is only different with the injuries. Even so, you think it's not for him. Gomes out of his class, Lamela out of his depth.
Poch disagrees but its all opinions
 

Johnny J

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I like Lamela, but we really need more goals from players who aren't called Kane or Son.
 

TheVoiceofReason

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He has been an utter failure

So painfully shortsighted and wrong and thick.

Our team has been playing brilliant, intense, FUN football for the last 3 Years, and that is due to us having players like Lamela in the squad that are talented and passionate enough to actually PLAY this kind of football. He may not score goals, but he does embody the entire philosophy we are building here at spurs.
 

Hercules

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Big shout out to Coco. On his performance today, I can’t see the need of say Malcom. Knee jerk maybe, but he was the difference imho. And I am one of those that aired on the side that he is expendable, though as I said ‘I like him’.

Great performance Coco.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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ALWAYS involved. ALWAYS has an impact. Amazing attitude and work rate. I don't know why anyone would not want to keep him in the squad.
 

WiganSpur

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He's a clever player and a boost to our creativity when Eriksen is not enough.

Great sub to bring on against packed defences.
 

SirNiNyHotspur

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Can't fault his work rate, he also adds a lot in attack, an added dimension, just wish he would get more goals.
 

seanwhite1961

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I wouldn't have brought Lamela on, partly why I am not an accredited PL manager.

Credit to the one legged show pony, he didn't resort to diving into late tackles, instead getting stuck in to portraying his class and skill, which didn't relent during his game.

Forza Lamela.
 

piedpiper

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I wouldn't have brought Lamela on, partly why I am not an accredited PL manager.

Credit to the one legged show pony, he didn't resort to diving into late tackles, instead getting stuck in to portraying his class and skill, which didn't relent during his game.

Forza Lamela.

I found him to be rather ordinary and couldnt see the impact others are accrediting to him. If i compared his contribution to the likes of Dele/Son/Erksen he was nowhere near their level.

In saying he was ordinary im not attacking him. Just what im reading here in relation to his performance its like the bar is set so low for what some expect of an AM.

His control of the ball in the 65minute when under no pressure is a pure example of what frustrates me with Lamela. Constantly losing the ball. Its almost as if his legs and mind are out of sync sith each other.
 

Gbspurs

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Still don't rate him. Just frustrates the bloody life out of me! There is 90% of a good player in there and just when I think he is going to step up he seems to struggle. Heavily one footed and not a goal threat at all. Not the best attributes for an attacking player, maybe better moving more into midfield.
 

Vulcan10

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Good cameo.
Player to his strengths and did his work away from the goal which is where he struggles. Perplexing for an AM hence his critics but credit where it is due, he played his part today and moved the ball forward very well.
 
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