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Player Watch: Erik Lamela

TwanYid

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Lamela has been good-to-excellent in every post-injury game he's played in this season until yesterday, where he was just average. But so were Kane, Alli, etc...

Lamela's job isn't to score- it's to graft. Yeah- I know: "But (*sputter*), he's an Attacking Mid- NOT a Center Mid!” Well, actually, he's kind of a hybrid- which is precisely what makes him such an interesting and unique player. What I mean is, amongst the attackers, he’s the water-carrier- the guy who does the dirty work of a CM, just in the final 3rd. He often gets the "assist before the assist," proving integral not only to our attack but also to our pressing, our winning the ball back, our ball retention and our scoring. However, like I said, these qualities often end up not gifting him with great stats.

I can think of many matches in which he picked the lock in games against minnows where we barely won. Or against giants; versus Juventus, his pass to Dele- carved out of nothing, and with defenders draped on him like white on rice- was what freed up Dels to drive and get fouled just outside the box; the rest, as they say, is history. Did he get a goal or an assist in that game? Nope. Did his actions lead to a nice, juicy stat? Nope. Yet take away Lamela and Eriksen- via Alli- doesn't even get that chance.

Lamela is the type of player that is PERFECT for us because he doesn't need glory, he just needs us to win- and win we do when he's in the lineup. I just don't get it-- it's as if because he's not Alexis Sanchez he's somehow not good enough. Again- I understand- he's an Attacking Mid. But that's just a title, a term to describe where on the pitch he's mostly likely to be found. It does not mean that he has to "score more goals;" rather, it means that he has to enhance our attack- which he does.

Also, as much as this thread (allegedly) demonstrates that his supporters are simply fawning sycophants, I think it also shows his detractors to be almost willfully dismissive of all the good that he does. The guy is such an asset to our team-- and not in the way, say, a Steed Malbranque was (i.e., a fella who gives his all/is willing to run through walls for the club/etc., but who isn't exactly the most naturally talented footballer on the planet). Instead, Lamela is a guy with incredible talent who could be a very solid goal scorer if that was his main job (like it was at Roma). He isn't, however, because he's either tasked with or- on his own- driven to doing what needs to be done for the good of the team. He's the guy whose work allows the Deles, the Kanes and the Eriksens of the world the freedom to themselves assist and score whilst meanwhile, right after whatever they try misses and/or is somehow stuffed, there's Coco: pressing, badgering, hounding, infuriating and just generally making life miserable for the opposition as they prepare to mount an attack of their own.

Look, would I like it if he scored more? Yeah, sure, of course. But am I equally just as happy when we win 2-1, with him getting zero goals/assists yet contributing mightily to the collective victory? Indeed I am.

Or put it this way: Heung-Min Son (whom I love, so don't get me wrong) is clearly better offensively than Lamela; I get that, you get that, everyone gets that. Yet, when Sonny's on the pitch, oftentimes an opposition player'll cut through our team like a hot knife through melted butter. Because as good as Son is offensively, he's that poor defensively. With Lamela, otoh, you probably won't get the highlight-reel goal (except occasionally), but what you will get is quality play all over.

I just don't get why some on here loathe him so. It's fucking bananas. Lamela is a rare breed, a guy who came to the world's hardest league, altered his game, changed his life around and now embraces- with his whole heart- a team that- five years ago- he'd likely barely even have heard of. He loves us now; that, you can tell. I mean, my God: dude said "FUCK YOU" to Jack Wilshire and STOMPED on Cesc Fabregas for Christ's sake!

What more do you want?
 
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dondo

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Rather simplistic view to be honest. Considering Lamela has had long periods out for injuries I don't see it as being too bad.

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It’s not too bad,I never said it was I just rate the others higher.
Not too bad is not good enough for us anymore.
If we sign another attacking player or we decide Lucas needs more minutes, lamela is the obvious fall guy imo
 

tiger666

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Jan 4, 2005
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It’s not too bad,I never said it was I just rate the others higher

Was more aimed at Sounness than you. I think most would agree Son, Dele, Eriksen are better but I don't see that as a reason to sell. We need squad players and Lamela is a good one, imo ofc.
 

dontsalebale

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Graeme Souness said it all yesterday, and he rightfully says ‘he is still a Spurs fan at heart’. Asked about Lamela, and said he is not convinced. Some nice little touches, looks a footballer etc, but no.

I like Coco, and his attitude. Is there a place for him as a squad player? Yes! Should we sell him? Debatable, but I would keep him one more season. You have to give him applause for how he has come back after a year, plus out. On that alone, we need to give him another season.

Sentiment has to be detached in these decisions, and after one more season, even moreso.
Lamela has 8 premier league goals over 5 seasons and a 102 games. None of those figures are any thing to get excited about. Graeme Souness a proper judge of a footballer.
 
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ralvy

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I just don't get why some on here loathe him so. It's fucking bananas. Lamela is a rare breed, a guy who came to the world's hardest league, altered his game, changed his life around and now embraces- with his whole heart- a team that- five years ago- he'd likely barely even heard of. He loves us now; that, you can tell. I mean, my God: dude said "FUCK YOU" to Jack Wilshire and STOMPED on Cesc Fabregas for Christ's sake!

What more do you want?

Ehm, goals and the occasional hat-trick?
 

DCSPUR

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Graeme Souness said it all yesterday, and he rightfully says ‘he is still a Spurs fan at heart’. Asked about Lamela, and said he is not convinced. Some nice little touches, looks a footballer etc, but no.

I like Coco, and his attitude. Is there a place for him as a squad player? Yes! Should we sell him? Debatable, but I would keep him one more season. You have to give him applause for how he has come back after a year, plus out. On that alone, we need to give him another season.

Sentiment has to be detached in these decisions, and after one more season, even moreso.
100% agree ---- we have to be more than a business....sentiment does matter, the human dimension does matter.
 

T-Love92

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Not every player has to contribute goals to be considered as good imo...

Lamela is second to none in our squad in terms of chasing down pressing and forcing errors - while he's also technically gifted, have an eye for a pass. He's a valuable part of our squad and if im honest i didn't think he would come back that strong after his lay off...

Just keep in mind his interview (think telegraph?) - his brother almost died, he had a really rough time combined with his injury...seems a good lad with an attitude that is made for his compatriot pochettino
 

Bobbins

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Graeme Souness said it all yesterday, and he rightfully says ‘he is still a Spurs fan at heart’. Asked about Lamela, and said he is not convinced. Some nice little touches, looks a footballer etc, but no.

I like Coco, and his attitude. Is there a place for him as a squad player? Yes! Should we sell him? Debatable, but I would keep him one more season. You have to give him applause for how he has come back after a year, plus out. On that alone, we need to give him another season.

Sentiment has to be detached in these decisions, and after one more season, even moreso.

You’ve changed your tune?
 

Hercules

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You’ve changed your tune?

I don’t really think I have. When quite a few was blowing his trumpet, especially many months ago, I have my opinion, based on what I knew as a certainty, and how the club was viewing him. There are things that’s come out now, and still many things which has not, and that added to my imput.

I applauded his performance recently, and like to believe that I do not get tied down on a bias to any player, but call it as I see it at that particular time. I still think that some are blinkered for whatever reason when it comes to Coco. I like to believe in all my posts, I am fair with every player.
 

JimmyG2

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God's representative on Earth.
Sorry: Mauricio's representative on the pitch.
Embodies His values and Attitude.
Like the boy.
 

JimmyG2

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I don’t really think I have. When quite a few was blowing his trumpet, especially many months ago, I have my opinion, based on what I knew as a certainty, and how the club was viewing him. There are things that’s come out now, and still many things which has not, and that added to my imput.

I applauded his performance recently, and like to believe that I do not get tied down on a bias to any player, but call it as I see it at that particular time. I still think that some are blinkered for whatever reason when it comes to Coco. I like to believe in all my posts, I am fair with every player.

Well you would say that wouldn't you.
It's only your opinion:
Fact!
 

Bobbins

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I don’t really think I have. When quite a few was blowing his trumpet, especially many months ago, I have my opinion, based on what I knew as a certainty, and how the club was viewing him. There are things that’s come out now, and still many things which has not, and that added to my imput.

I applauded his performance recently, and like to believe that I do not get tied down on a bias to any player, but call it as I see it at that particular time. I still think that some are blinkered for whatever reason when it comes to Coco. I like to believe in all my posts, I am fair with every player.

I’m more getting at the fact that a few pages ago you were suggesting that Malcolm would make a much better option than Lamela and you get Coco’s time has come.

I’m happy if that’s no longer the case.
 

faze_coys

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Lamela has been good-to-excellent in every post-injury game he's played in this season until yesterday, where he was just average. But so were Kane, Alli, etc...

Lamela's job isn't to score- it's to graft. Yeah- I know: "But (*sputter*), he's an AM- not a CM!" Well, actually, he's kind of a hybrid- which is precisely what makes him such an interesting and unique player. What I mean is, he's the water-carrier amongst the attackers, the guy who does the dirty work of a CM, just in the final 3rd. He often gets the "assist before the assist," proving integral not only to our attack but also to our pressing, our winning the ball back, our ball retention and our scoring. However, like I said, these qualities often end up not gifting him with great stats.

I can think of many matches in which he picked the lock in games against minnows where we barely won. Or against giants; versus Juventus, his pass to Dele- carved out of nothing, and with defenders on him like white on rice- was what freed up Dels to drive and get fouled just outside the box; the rest, as they say, is history. Did he get a goal or an assist in that game? Nope. Did his actions lead to a nice, juicy stat? Nope. Yet take away Lamela and Eriksen- via Alli- doesn't even get that chance.

Lamela is the type of player that is PERFECT for us because he doesn't need glory, he just needs us to win- and win we do when he's in the lineup. I just don't get it-- it's as if because he's not Alexis Sanchez he's somehow not good enough. Again- I understand- he's an Attacking Mid. But that's just a title, a term to describe where on the pitch he's mostly likely to be found. It does not mean that he has to "score more goals;" rather, it means that he has to enhance our attack- which he does.

Also, as much as this thread (allegedly) demonstrates that his supporters are simply fawning sycophants, I think it also shows his detractors to be almost willfully dismissive of all the good that he does. The guy is such an asset to our team-- and not in the way, say, a Steed Malbranque was (i.e., a fella who gives his all/is willing to run through walls for the club/etc., but who isn't exactly the most naturally talented footballer on the planet). Instead, Lamela is a guy with incredible talent who could be a very solid goal scorer if that was his main job (like it was at Roma). He isn't, however, because he's either tasked with or- on his own- driven to doing what needs to be done for the good of the team. He's the guy whose work allows the Deles, the Kanes and the Eriksens of the world the freedom to themselves assist and score whilst meanwhile, right after whatever they try misses and/or is somehow stuffed, there's Coco: pressing, badgering, hounding, infuriating and just generally making life miserable for the opposition as they prepare to mount an attack of their own.

Look, would I like it if he scored more? Yeah, sure, of course. But am I equally just as happy when we win 2-1, with him getting zero goals/assists yet contributing mightily to the collective victory? Indeed I am.

Or put it this way: Heung-Min Son (whom I love, so don't get me wrong) is clearly better offensively than Lamela; I get that, you get that, everyone gets that. Yet, when Sonny's on the pitch, oftentimes an opposition player'll cut through our team like a hot knife through melted butter. Because as good as Son is offensively, he's that poor defensively. With Lamela, otoh, you probably won't get the highlight-reel goal (except occasionally), but what you will get is quality play all over.

I just don't get why some on here loathe him so. It's fucking bananas. Lamela is a rare breed, a guy who came to the world's hardest league, altered his game, changed his life around and now embraces- with his whole heart- a team that- five years ago- he'd likely barely even have heard of. He loves us now; that, you can tell. I mean, my God: dude said "FUCK YOU" to Jack Wilshire and STOMPED on Cesc Fabregas for Christ's sake!

What more do you want?

Great post.
 

Vulcan10

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Lamela has been good-to-excellent in every post-injury game he's played in this season until yesterday, where he was just average. But so were Kane, Alli, etc...

Lamela's job isn't to score- it's to graft. Yeah- I know: "But (*sputter*), he's an AM- not a CM!" Well, actually, he's kind of a hybrid- which is precisely what makes him such an interesting and unique player. What I mean is, he's the water-carrier amongst the attackers, the guy who does the dirty work of a CM, just in the final 3rd. He often gets the "assist before the assist," proving integral not only to our attack but also to our pressing, our winning the ball back, our ball retention and our scoring. However, like I said, these qualities often end up not gifting him with great stats.

I can think of many matches in which he picked the lock in games against minnows where we barely won. Or against giants; versus Juventus, his pass to Dele- carved out of nothing, and with defenders on him like white on rice- was what freed up Dels to drive and get fouled just outside the box; the rest, as they say, is history. Did he get a goal or an assist in that game? Nope. Did his actions lead to a nice, juicy stat? Nope. Yet take away Lamela and Eriksen- via Alli- doesn't even get that chance.

Lamela is the type of player that is PERFECT for us because he doesn't need glory, he just needs us to win- and win we do when he's in the lineup. I just don't get it-- it's as if because he's not Alexis Sanchez he's somehow not good enough. Again- I understand- he's an Attacking Mid. But that's just a title, a term to describe where on the pitch he's mostly likely to be found. It does not mean that he has to "score more goals;" rather, it means that he has to enhance our attack- which he does.

Also, as much as this thread (allegedly) demonstrates that his supporters are simply fawning sycophants, I think it also shows his detractors to be almost willfully dismissive of all the good that he does. The guy is such an asset to our team-- and not in the way, say, a Steed Malbranque was (i.e., a fella who gives his all/is willing to run through walls for the club/etc., but who isn't exactly the most naturally talented footballer on the planet). Instead, Lamela is a guy with incredible talent who could be a very solid goal scorer if that was his main job (like it was at Roma). He isn't, however, because he's either tasked with or- on his own- driven to doing what needs to be done for the good of the team. He's the guy whose work allows the Deles, the Kanes and the Eriksens of the world the freedom to themselves assist and score whilst meanwhile, right after whatever they try misses and/or is somehow stuffed, there's Coco: pressing, badgering, hounding, infuriating and just generally making life miserable for the opposition as they prepare to mount an attack of their own.

Look, would I like it if he scored more? Yeah, sure, of course. But am I equally just as happy when we win 2-1, with him getting zero goals/assists yet contributing mightily to the collective victory? Indeed I am.

Or put it this way: Heung-Min Son (whom I love, so don't get me wrong) is clearly better offensively than Lamela; I get that, you get that, everyone gets that. Yet, when Sonny's on the pitch, oftentimes an opposition player'll cut through our team like a hot knife through melted butter. Because as good as Son is offensively, he's that poor defensively. With Lamela, otoh, you probably won't get the highlight-reel goal (except occasionally), but what you will get is quality play all over.

I just don't get why some on here loathe him so. It's fucking bananas. Lamela is a rare breed, a guy who came to the world's hardest league, altered his game, changed his life around and now embraces- with his whole heart- a team that- five years ago- he'd likely barely even have heard of. He loves us now; that, you can tell. I mean, my God: dude said "FUCK YOU" to Jack Wilshire and STOMPED on Cesc Fabregas for Christ's sake!

What more do you want?

Just for the record I don't think anyone loathes him, it is just that some seem to love him too much for the output provided so others offer up some balance/concerns.
 

phaser

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Lamela has been good-to-excellent in every post-injury game he's played in this season until yesterday, where he was just average. But so were Kane, Alli, etc...

Lamela's job isn't to score- it's to graft. Yeah- I know: "But (*sputter*), he's an AM- not a CM!" Well, actually, he's kind of a hybrid- which is precisely what makes him such an interesting and unique player. What I mean is, he's the water-carrier amongst the attackers, the guy who does the dirty work of a CM, just in the final 3rd. He often gets the "assist before the assist," proving integral not only to our attack but also to our pressing, our winning the ball back, our ball retention and our scoring. However, like I said, these qualities often end up not gifting him with great stats.

I can think of many matches in which he picked the lock in games against minnows where we barely won. Or against giants; versus Juventus, his pass to Dele- carved out of nothing, and with defenders on him like white on rice- was what freed up Dels to drive and get fouled just outside the box; the rest, as they say, is history. Did he get a goal or an assist in that game? Nope. Did his actions lead to a nice, juicy stat? Nope. Yet take away Lamela and Eriksen- via Alli- doesn't even get that chance.

Lamela is the type of player that is PERFECT for us because he doesn't need glory, he just needs us to win- and win we do when he's in the lineup. I just don't get it-- it's as if because he's not Alexis Sanchez he's somehow not good enough. Again- I understand- he's an Attacking Mid. But that's just a title, a term to describe where on the pitch he's mostly likely to be found. It does not mean that he has to "score more goals;" rather, it means that he has to enhance our attack- which he does.

Also, as much as this thread (allegedly) demonstrates that his supporters are simply fawning sycophants, I think it also shows his detractors to be almost willfully dismissive of all the good that he does. The guy is such an asset to our team-- and not in the way, say, a Steed Malbranque was (i.e., a fella who gives his all/is willing to run through walls for the club/etc., but who isn't exactly the most naturally talented footballer on the planet). Instead, Lamela is a guy with incredible talent who could be a very solid goal scorer if that was his main job (like it was at Roma). He isn't, however, because he's either tasked with or- on his own- driven to doing what needs to be done for the good of the team. He's the guy whose work allows the Deles, the Kanes and the Eriksens of the world the freedom to themselves assist and score whilst meanwhile, right after whatever they try misses and/or is somehow stuffed, there's Coco: pressing, badgering, hounding, infuriating and just generally making life miserable for the opposition as they prepare to mount an attack of their own.

Look, would I like it if he scored more? Yeah, sure, of course. But am I equally just as happy when we win 2-1, with him getting zero goals/assists yet contributing mightily to the collective victory? Indeed I am.

Or put it this way: Heung-Min Son (whom I love, so don't get me wrong) is clearly better offensively than Lamela; I get that, you get that, everyone gets that. Yet, when Sonny's on the pitch, oftentimes an opposition player'll cut through our team like a hot knife through melted butter. Because as good as Son is offensively, he's that poor defensively. With Lamela, otoh, you probably won't get the highlight-reel goal (except occasionally), but what you will get is quality play all over.

I just don't get why some on here loathe him so. It's fucking bananas. Lamela is a rare breed, a guy who came to the world's hardest league, altered his game, changed his life around and now embraces- with his whole heart- a team that- five years ago- he'd likely barely even have heard of. He loves us now; that, you can tell. I mean, my God: dude said "FUCK YOU" to Jack Wilshire and STOMPED on Cesc Fabregas for Christ's sake!

What more do you want?

I don't agree with your assessment that Lamela has been "good to excellent" since he's come back, I think that viewpoint is disproportionate to what he actually offers on the pitch. I would say he has been average to good. Excellence in my view would correlate to players who can effect games and have the prowess to make a difference; Eriksen, Son, Alli & Dembele have shown in patches that they have that ability, I don't see that being produced by Lamela.
 
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JimmyG2

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I don't agree with your assessment that Lamela has been "good to excellent" since he's come back, I think that viewpoint is disproportionate to what he actually offers on the pitch. I would say he has been average to good. Excellence in my view would correlate to players who can effective games and have the prowess to make a difference; Eriksen, Son, Alli & Dembele have shown in patches that they have that ability, I don't see that being produced by Lamela.

First post and straight into the Lamela maelstrom
Bold, I like it.
I don't fully agree but that's the beauty of the Lamela debate.
Whatever you say will have supporters.
 

Bobbins

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I don't agree with your assessment that Lamela has been "good to excellent" since he's come back, I think that viewpoint is disproportionate to what he actually offers on the pitch. I would say he has been average to good. Excellence in my view would correlate to players who can effect games and have the prowess to make a difference; Eriksen, Son, Alli & Dembele have shown in patches that they have that ability, I don't see that being produced by Lamela.

Agreed, I’m a huge fan of Coco and even I think “average to good” is an accurate description of his performances this season.

I also happen to think an “average to good” Lamela is a big asset and well worth keeping hold of.

With:

Eriksen
Alli
Son
Lamela
Moura

...making up the three behind Kane, I think we’ve got every base covered. They all offer something slightly different to each other, all can play different roles in different systems, and would be more or less effective against different types of opponents.

I see absolutely no reason to change any of them, I think we finally have the perfect attacking midfield options in our squad.

We need to sort out our CM in the summer, not worry about whether we swap out Lamela.
 
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