Player Watch: Erik Lamela

[IfiHadTheWings]

There is a stereotype that black people are stupid, or at least mentally inferior, to other races, perpetuated by centuries of slavery, segregation and the selubsequent black underachievement in areas such as higher education.

Aurier is a black, African footballer.

Aurier got abused and called "stupid", "twat", "idiot" for continuing to dive in following his yellow card and penalty against Juve, he did not get sent off.

There is a stereotype, in football, and wider life that Hispanic people/people from South America are passionate and fiery.

Lamela is a Hispanic, Argentinian footballer

Lamela gets called a "warrior" and "passionate" after continuing to dive into tackles after getting a yellow against Rochdale, Lamela also did not get sent off.

Yes Aurier is a defender and gave away a penalty and that makes his offences slightly worse, but it doesn't explain why his are seen as such a negative and Lamela's aren't seen as negative in anyway, and are in fact championed. That's why I bought up ethnicity.

To be fair i think anybody who manages 3 foul throws in top level football must be a bit stupid and thats regardless of ethnicity.

I think Aurier isnt afforded the leeway that Lamela is is down to the rash decisions he made/makes so early in his time with us...even if he performed like a prime Maldini for the rest of his career (slight exaggeration maybe) even the slightest mistake he will be called an ‘idiot’ and rash etc football fans are fickle and the stigma will stick.

 

[Bulletspur]

No, but your chances of being the most well endowed person on SC increased

You are stating the obvious!

 

[Streetspur77]

I'm not gonna reply to everyone's posts because it's clear I'm fighting a losing battle.

But there seems to be a lack of understanding as to what "feeding into a stereotype" means.

I'm NOT saying people look at Aurier and say "oh he's black so he's stupid". I'm saying that the centuries of racism, as I've described, subconsciously impact how people interpret events. It's not even particularly their fault, it's just the system we've all been bought up where these ideas exist. And to me that's the only reason I can see that when Aurier dives into tackles he's "stupid" and when Lamela does it he's "passionate", regardless of postition, there's no reason one should be a negative and one positive, if it was just about position people would be marginally annoyed at Lamela but instead it's just flat out praise.

Anyway idc, they're both spurs players so I personally like both of them and believe they both suffer from sometimes not being able to control their passion and too much desire to impress, yes it's worse for Aurier because of position but neither of them is "stupid" and they both need to work on it

 

[Yid-ol]

I agree with all this and I am black. Am I then stupid?

Only stupid thing is agreeig with me

 

[WiganSpur]

I'm not gonna reply to everyone's posts because it's clear I'm fighting a losing battle.

But there seems to be a lack of understanding as to what "feeding into a stereotype" means.

I'm NOT saying people look at Aurier and say "oh he's black so he's stupid". I'm saying that the centuries of racism, as I've described, subconsciously impact how people interpret events. It's not even particularly their fault, it's just the system we've all been bought up where these ideas exist. And to me that's the only reason I can see that when Aurier dives into tackles he's "stupid" and when Lamela does it he's "passionate", regardless of postition, there's no reason one should be a negative and one positive, if it was just about position people would be marginally annoyed at Lamela but instead it's just flat out praise.

Anyway idc, they're both spurs players so I personally like both of them and believe they both suffer from sometimes not being able to control their passion and too much desire to impress, yes it's worse for Aurier because of position but neither of them is "stupid" and they both need to work on it

I think it's the area of the pitch where it happens that is crucial to be fair. They are not exactly comparable events.

Aurier is fouling in the box which is a big no no. It's a lot more common in the middle of the park, especially when you are trying to prevent counter attacks etc.

 

[poc]

I'm not gonna reply to everyone's posts because it's clear I'm fighting a losing battle.

But there seems to be a lack of understanding as to what "feeding into a stereotype" means.

I'm NOT saying people look at Aurier and say "oh he's black so he's stupid". I'm saying that the centuries of racism, as I've described, subconsciously impact how people interpret events. It's not even particularly their fault, it's just the system we've all been bought up where these ideas exist. And to me that's the only reason I can see that when Aurier dives into tackles he's "stupid" and when Lamela does it he's "passionate", regardless of postition, there's no reason one should be a negative and one positive, if it was just about position people would be marginally annoyed at Lamela but instead it's just flat out praise.

Anyway idc, they're both spurs players so I personally like both of them and believe they both suffer from sometimes not being able to control their passion and too much desire to impress, yes it's worse for Aurier because of position but neither of them is "stupid" and they both need to work on it

I think people understand what you are saying and I am sure most would accept it exists. Just in this case to use it as the reason why descriptions of lamela and aurier are what they are ie stupid v passionate seems most on here think your wrong. Lastly lamela is a funny one on SC there are those on here who blindly love the guy and over his time here have ground down anyone who gives him etc I with me ratings ;-) but I have seen him get it when he has given away free kicks around the box. He seems to do this less often now.

 

[Shadydan]

I'm not gonna reply to everyone's posts because it's clear I'm fighting a losing battle.

But there seems to be a lack of understanding as to what "feeding into a stereotype" means.

I'm NOT saying people look at Aurier and say "oh he's black so he's stupid". I'm saying that the centuries of racism, as I've described, subconsciously impact how people interpret events. It's not even particularly their fault, it's just the system we've all been bought up where these ideas exist. And to me that's the only reason I can see that when Aurier dives into tackles he's "stupid" and when Lamela does it he's "passionate", regardless of postition, there's no reason one should be a negative and one positive, if it was just about position people would be marginally annoyed at Lamela but instead it's just flat out praise.

Anyway idc, they're both spurs players so I personally like both of them and believe they both suffer from sometimes not being able to control their passion and too much desire to impress, yes it's worse for Aurier because of position but neither of them is "stupid" and they both need to work on it

Interesting, you should start another thread on this because there's a debate there to be had, I actually agree in a sense that people will feed into a stereotype, not sure whether I've seen it in this case (Aurier/Lamela) on here though but there is definitely an undercurrent narrative racial stereotyping in the media of non white players, notably African that people perpetuate.

 

[Dharmabum]

Since arriving in North London from Roma, Lamela has made 141 appearances, scoring 20 goals and chipping in with 36 assists.

Eyebrows were raised when the winger was given the nod ahead of in-form Son Heung-min for the Champions League tie at Juventus, but the 25-year-old was impressive in the 2-2 draw in Turin.

Speaking on BBC 5 Live sport, former teammate Mason said there are two main reasons that he was selected for such a crucial game.

“Coco’s (Lamela) one of these players, he loves football, I’ve never come across anyone in the game that loves the game as much as him," he said.

“The reason why the gaffer picks him is because one, he trusts him and two, Coco will never ever give anything less than 100 per cent.

“He’s got this ability to create a bit of brilliance.

"Coco's had such a long spell out and he's come back and looks fit and strong.

"Full credit to him, it's only because he loves the game and I know he will have been doing absolutely everything in his power to come back and be strong for the gaffer."

 

[parj]

I'm not gonna reply to everyone's posts because it's clear I'm fighting a losing battle.

But there seems to be a lack of understanding as to what "feeding into a stereotype" means.

I'm NOT saying people look at Aurier and say "oh he's black so he's stupid". I'm saying that the centuries of racism, as I've described, subconsciously impact how people interpret events. It's not even particularly their fault, it's just the system we've all been bought up where these ideas exist. And to me that's the only reason I can see that when Aurier dives into tackles he's "stupid" and when Lamela does it he's "passionate", regardless of postition, there's no reason one should be a negative and one positive, if it was just about position people would be marginally annoyed at Lamela but instead it's just flat out praise.

Anyway idc, they're both spurs players so I personally like both of them and believe they both suffer from sometimes not being able to control their passion and too much desire to impress, yes it's worse for Aurier because of position but neither of them is "stupid" and they both need to work on it

Listen, the stereotype is people like you. I can't remember anyone on SC, my mates or at the stadium calling a player stupid cos they black. I have heard blatantly racist shit at WHL but never that. I suggest we draw a line under this topic now.

 

[parj]

Interesting, you should start another thread on this because there's a debate there to be had, I actually agree in a sense that people will feed into a stereotype, not sure whether I've seen it in this case (Aurier/Lamela) on here though but there is definitely an undercurrent narrative racial stereotyping in the media of non white players, notably African that people perpetuate.

The only stereotype I come across is African origin players being stronger and faster, and the Felix syndrome.

Intelligence isn't linked to race, it's linked to education and access to.

 

[keithtighe93]

He's never been sent off for us has he? Why do people keep saying it?

 

[Streetspur77]

Interesting, you should start another thread on this because there's a debate there to be had, I actually agree in a sense that people will feed into a stereotype, not sure whether I've seen it in this case (Aurier/Lamela) on here though but there is definitely an undercurrent narrative racial stereotyping in the media of non white players, notably African that people perpetuate.

I would but I can't really be asked as people genuinely don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of stereotypes and that I'm N-O-T saying people just think "oh black pplayer he's stupid", I've said that enough times and yet people still keep replying with the same reply "oh I've never heard anyone say that" so I cba to start a thread which will most likely follow the same pattern, anyone else is free to though and I'll probably contribute.

But yeah apart from that I agree and should probably specify it's a stereotype that specifically occurs in football, same with "beast" rather then wider life, although it does still occur

 

[chinaman]

No, but your chances of being the most well endowed person on SC increased

Can I innocently ask in what way?

 

[Ossie85]

He's never been sent off for us has he? Why do people keep saying it?

He's never been sent off ever. For us, Roma or River

 

[Bobbins]

Slightly perplexed as to how a player’s ethnicity has anything to do with this.

It absolutely doesn't. People will see what they want to see.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Classic SC this last few pages...

 

[parj]

Can I innocently ask in what way?

The myth of the humongous cock that black men allegedly have

 

[Derp]

I still can’t believe a professional footballer with the ability Lamela has can be so bad with his weak foot. It’s a huge weakness, he is wasting so many chances because he can’t do anything with his right.

Just today he gets played in for an open shot, but it’s to his right foot so instead of getting a shot off he stops and tries to get it onto his left foot but loses the ball. It’s definitely one of the reasons why he is scoring so few goals.

 

[Snarfalicious]

I still can’t believe a professional footballer with the ability Lamela has can be so bad with his weak foot. It’s a huge weakness, he is wasting so many chances because he can’t do anything with his right.

Just today he gets played in for an open shot, but it’s to his right foot so instead of getting a shot off he stops and tries to get it onto his left foot but loses the ball. It’s definitely one of the reasons why he is scoring so few goals.

A lot of right-footed players are absolutely useless with their left. But for whatever reason, when a left-footed player has a poor weak foot, it's this huge sticking point as to why they aren't great. It's such a weird thing to me.

 

[Hoops]

I'm not gonna reply to everyone's posts because it's clear I'm fighting a losing battle.

But there seems to be a lack of understanding as to what "feeding into a stereotype" means.

I'm NOT saying people look at Aurier and say "oh he's black so he's stupid". I'm saying that the centuries of racism, as I've described, subconsciously impact how people interpret events. It's not even particularly their fault, it's just the system we've all been bought up where these ideas exist. And to me that's the only reason I can see that when Aurier dives into tackles he's "stupid" and when Lamela does it he's "passionate", regardless of postition, there's no reason one should be a negative and one positive, if it was just about position people would be marginally annoyed at Lamela but instead it's just flat out praise.

Anyway idc, they're both spurs players so I personally like both of them and believe they both suffer from sometimes not being able to control their passion and too much desire to impress, yes it's worse for Aurier because of position but neither of them is "stupid" and they both need to work on it

Davies is equally as bad as Aurier and gets nothign but praise. Aurier gave away a stupid penalty that was missed by Juve. Davies gave away a stupid one that was scored.