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coys200

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Last year he got injured March 11th. Club said he wouldn’t be back training till April. Came on as sub against Chelsea April 1st. Personally I’m expecting him to be back training end February and ready at least bench NLD. I would guess it’s a mid grade strain 4-6 weeks based purely on the fact he walked off the pitch. If it was the most severe sprain 10–12wks as Herculrs has suggested you simply would not be able to walk 10 meters and he’d have been in much worse pain.
 

brendanb50

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Last year he got injured March 11th. Club said he wouldn’t be back training till April. Came on as sub against Chelsea April 1st. Personally I’m expecting him to be back training end February and ready at least bench NLD. I would guess it’s a mid grade strain 4-6 weeks based purely on the fact he walked off the pitch. If it was the most severe sprain 10–12wks as Herculrs has suggested you simply would not be able to walk 10 meters and he’d have been in much worse pain.

I hope that's the case. He does seem to be pretty strong comparative to other pros and he seems to work as hard as possible in getting back to full health. Fingers crossed.
 

Tottenhamboy85

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Last year he got injured March 11th. Club said he wouldn’t be back training till April. Came on as sub against Chelsea April 1st. Personally I’m expecting him to be back training end February and ready at least bench NLD. I would guess it’s a mid grade strain 4-6 weeks based purely on the fact he walked off the pitch. If it was the most severe sprain 10–12wks as Herculrs has suggested you simply would not be able to walk 10 meters and he’d have been in much worse pain.
If we got to the league cup final I wouldn’t put it past him to rush himself back
 

Shadydan

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You don't remember the ITK about how we wanted him, we knew he wanted to come, he was shown round the new stadium, and right up until the end of the window we were willing to do a deal for him?

No I'm banned from the transfer section and ITK doesn't hold much weight with me.

Regardless Martial is a clear upgrade and I suspect that Llorente and/or Lamela would have been off.
 

thebenjamin

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No I'm banned from the transfer section and ITK doesn't hold much weight with me.

Regardless Martial is a clear upgrade and I suspect that Llorente and/or Lamela would have been off.

Exactly. So with Llorente's contract up at the end of the season, we'll need to sign a forward in the summer anyway. And we are obviously in the market, and have been for a long time, for a player who can both replace Kane for an injury period, and play with Kane. Like Martial, Zaha, Werner.

So targeting Werner makes perfect sense. Unfortunately the summer might be too late, and we're obviously not going to do a deal that big in the next fortnight.
 

danielneeds

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Or you get someone like Werner who can play:
instead of Kane
with Kane
or instead of Son/Alli/Eriksen
Well, the guy I was replying to was specifically talking about signing a centre forward rather than a multi-faceted player, like Son or Werner.

I still think even Werner is problematic. A guy like him, with his big move away from Leipzig, he'll want to be the main man, not fit in around someone like Kane. Perhaps if he was going to a Real or a Barca, he'd make do with a wide role and covering down the middle, but with us? I don't really see it.
 

ardiles

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This has been gone over time and again, but unless you pay them absolutely silly wages, what kind of No 9 is going to come here to fill in for Kane for a few weeks, with the knowledge that however well he does he'll be on the bench as soon as Harry's fit? You either are going to get someone young, unproven and risky, or someone old and over the hill, like Llorente.

We don’t need an established name. A young and upcoming striker that Poch / our scouts think that has the potential to be much better with time and proper training (under Poch ).

Someone that is predominantly a striker but can also play with Kane or on the wings. Someone who can cover Kane when he’s unavailable or needs a rest (now and in the future).
 

Shadydan

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Exactly. So with Llorente's contract up at the end of the season, we'll need to sign a forward in the summer anyway. And we are obviously in the market, and have been for a long time, for a player who can both replace Kane for an injury period, and play with Kane. Like Martial, Zaha, Werner.

So targeting Werner makes perfect sense. Unfortunately the summer might be too late, and we're obviously not going to do a deal that big in the next fortnight.

Indeed we're not talking about what's gonna happen this summer though, the initial post which kicked off this convo was talking about this window which is what I was responding to.
 

thebenjamin

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Indeed we're not talking about what's gonna happen this summer though, the initial post which kicked off this convo was talking about this window which is what I was responding to.

Yeah I know. Sorry if I wasn't clear - I was agreeing with the point you were responding to. Clearly we are and have been in for a wrong forward / striker. So we are probably intending to try and buy one in the summer. I'm saying it might be an idea to try and do those deals now, given the delicate situation our season is in, and how giant a blow it would be for the transition to the new stadium, Poch and the playing staff's futures, if we were to miss out on CL qualification due to injuries.
 

ardiles

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Well, the guy I was replying to was specifically talking about signing a centre forward rather than a multi-faceted player, like Son or Werner.

I still think even Werner is problematic. A guy like him, with his big move away from Leipzig, he'll want to be the main man, not fit in around someone like Kane. Perhaps if he was going to a Real or a Barca, he'd make do with a wide role and covering down the middle, but with us? I don't really see it.

What I meant (in my earlier post) was to get a guy who is predominantly a striker who can play as a lone striker or with Kane and if need be on the wings as opposed to looking for a winger (greater strengths) that can play as a striker.
 

danielneeds

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What I meant (in my earlier post) was to get a guy who is predominantly a striker who can play as a lone striker or with Kane and if need be on the wings as opposed to looking for a winger (greater strengths) that can play as a striker.
You're talking about a very narrow skillset of people that are attainable, in our price range, and that aren't just going to be a punt. If they're young, then they'll need to play regularly to gain experience and confidence.

It's a tricky conundrum to find the perfect solution, when you've got such a dominant forward like Kane, and a limited budget.
 

ardiles

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You're talking about a very narrow skillset of people that are attainable, in our price range, and that aren't just going to be a punt. If they're young, then they'll need to play regularly to gain experience and confidence.

It's a tricky conundrum to find the perfect solution, when you've got such a dominant forward like Kane, and a limited budget.

Yes, I agree that it would not be easy finding someone with that skill set but we can’t go on letting Kane be the only reliable striker in the squad.

Llorente will be leaving (with Kane’s current injury) probably in the summer but if you could get a young (and relatively cheap) striker now and groom him until the summer , he might be more than ready for us next season, when Llorente is gone.

He could play with Llorente or with the other attacking players during Kane’s absence. That way, we could save some dosh for the CM that we really need. It he does relatively well, we wouldn’t have to rush Kane back too.

Well, if the club thinks that they have enough funds for an established striker and CM, then I’m all for it but I doubt they do.
 

mpickard2087

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I don't know how many times I've made this point now in the last few years, but Poch likes his No.9 focal point type striker with a bit of presence about them.

At Espanyol he has Osvaldo and his main backup is Alvaro Vazquez. Then at Southampton he uses Osvaldo (again) and Rickie Lambert. When Osvaldo got cut for being a nutter, the backup he used for Lambert was a gangly academy kid called Gallagher, who, looking at his record now, never played in the PL again after Poch left.

With us it shouldn't need saying, but I will. Adebayor got first shot at it (Soldado never got one), quickly Kane established himself and has been the mainstay ever since, but the backups have been first Janssen and now Llorente.

The evidence shows what sort of central striker Poch likes to have. The next guy signed for this role will likely be in the same mould and not some small pacey versatile player. Moura and Son fulfil that role anyway.
 

danielneeds

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I don't know how many times I've made this point now in the last few years, but Poch likes his No.9 focal point type striker with a bit of presence about them.

At Espanyol he has Osvaldo and his main backup is Alvaro Vazquez. Then at Southampton he uses Osvaldo (again) and Rickie Lambert. When Osvaldo got cut for being a nutter, the backup he used for Lambert was a gangly academy kid called Gallagher, who, looking at his record now, never played in the PL again after Poch left.

With us it shouldn't need saying, but I will. Adebayor got first shot at it (Soldado never got one), quickly Kane established himself and has been the mainstay ever since, but the backups have been first Janssen and now Llorente.

The evidence shows what sort of central striker Poch likes to have. The next guy signed for this role will likely be in the same mould and not some small pacey versatile player. Moura and Son fulfil that role anyway.
Poch has played Son more than Llorente when Kane's been out, though. And with Espanyol and Southampton to a degree he has limited budgets, so we don't really know what type of forward he would have ideally liked.

He likes physical power down the spine of his team, of that there is no doubt, though.
 

rossdapep

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I don't know how many times I've made this point now in the last few years, but Poch likes his No.9 focal point type striker with a bit of presence about them.

At Espanyol he has Osvaldo and his main backup is Alvaro Vazquez. Then at Southampton he uses Osvaldo (again) and Rickie Lambert. When Osvaldo got cut for being a nutter, the backup he used for Lambert was a gangly academy kid called Gallagher, who, looking at his record now, never played in the PL again after Poch left.

With us it shouldn't need saying, but I will. Adebayor got first shot at it (Soldado never got one), quickly Kane established himself and has been the mainstay ever since, but the backups have been first Janssen and now Llorente.

The evidence shows what sort of central striker Poch likes to have. The next guy signed for this role will likely be in the same mould and not some small pacey versatile player. Moura and Son fulfil that role anyway.
I hear you but would it be possible that having Kane out twice prior to this time he may have come across a new system of having a front line that is more based on movement and alternating positions as opposed to a focal point? Last season when Kane was injured we put together a very strong run, we also were very comfortable against Leicester this season.
 

mpickard2087

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Poch has played Son more than Llorente when Kane's been out, though. And with Espanyol and Southampton to a degree he has limited budgets, so we don't really know what type of forward he would have ideally liked.

He likes physical power down the spine of his team, of that there is no doubt, though.

I hear you but would it be possible that having Kane out twice prior to this time he may have come across a new system of having a front line that is more based on movement and alternating positions as opposed to a focal point? Last season when Kane was injured we put together a very strong run, we also were very comfortable against Leicester this season.

I think it's largely that it hasn't worked out and he's got little faith/trust in Llorente (and Janssen previously). But what has been signed, and his previous history, for me shows what Poch ideally wants.

Having the option to be more fluid is of course handy. There might be games where you feel the additional movement/rotation of positions is the way to go, but what we have already at the club covers that.
 
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