Player Watch Player Watch: Harry Winks

Shadydan

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Winks proved himself capable of playing high level football, especially in the pre-season last year against quality opposition.

Onomah has not looked like a Premier League level player for us at senior level, let alone top 4 level. Until he shows something in either a cup game or the pre-season, I think it's ludicrous to suggest he's ready to start playing in the Premier League for us.

Time for more dislikes I guess, since I dared to suggest Onomah isn't ready.
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Aside from never having proved anything at senior level?

Maybe we should start thinking about giving guys like Shashoua and Oakley-Boothe Premier League game time; after all, they've performed really well at youth level.
lol This is the problem, your argument is full of straw men, you're actually that desperate to have an argument on here you're just literally making stuff up :ROFLMAO:

I noticed that you only bolded part of my quote and didn't bother to read all of it...if you actually took a deep breath, calmed down and learn to read and comprehend my argument you will notice that I said that he has other players who will start in front of him and he'll have a tough time to break into the first team which suggests that it's acknowledged that he won't be first choice at Spurs. You seem to think that people are suggesting that he should thrown him into the first team straight away, in fact the utter stupidity of your argument is compounded by the fact that Winks was in exactly the same position this time last year and he was given the chance by playing in midfield and he took it yet you happily acknowledge that which is what people are saying for Onomah - why can't Onomah be given the same chance as Winks by going into the new season as 5th choice?

The silly thing is that we're all actually in agreement yet you've taken up this stance and some keep rebutting with unnecessary straw men which is really fucking weird, think you need to chill out a bit (y)
 

Shadydan

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Actually if you bothered to read, the only thing I originally ever disputed was this, cue to utter morons like yourself piling on the negative ratings.
Yes but again this comes down to the problem oh having such a hard on for an argument, you assumed @spids was talking about Premier League level when he said that Onomah should start, he even qualified his argument here ffs:

You have got this soooo wrong. Maybe re-read the thread and work out what I was saying. We're talking about a young player who is potentially 6th choice for a CM role, behind Wanyama, Dembele, Dier, Winks, and Alli. I responded to a poster saying Sissoko could be considered for CM to say that he might be off but that Onomah should be considered as a CM following his impressive displays in the U20 world cup. And they were impressive displays. He looked very assured, strong in the tackle, calm in possession and mature in position. Seeing as we have a manager who invests a lot of time in developing youth and getting them into the first team we would be mad not to see what we can do with Onomah in CM.
So it doesn't matter what you 'originally' disputed as if it makes some sort of validity to your argument, it's what you've continued to dispute despite and whatever desperate angle you try and find such is your desperation for an argument and to fulfill this weird agenda.

Nope. I said he shouldn't be anywhere near the premier league minutes at all until he shows something at senior level, be it through cup games or pre-season.


Well fucking done, that's what's been said all along, do you have reading comprehension difficulties or something, the point being made couldn't be any more clearer which has repeatedly been qualified:

I think what you are saying is that Onomah must play well in a pre-season in CM before being considered to play in that position for the first team and I agree with that statement. And I hope he gets a chance as we was truly magnificent in the U20 world cup. If we have a league cup game and want to rest Dembele and Wanyama I hope we play Onomah
^^^^^^^He even said he agreed with you for God's sake! :ROFLMAO:

*READ.AND.COMPRHEND*

*Now breathe*

Besides shining in pre-season games against Juventus, Atletico and Inter? Has Onomah played a single good game with our seniors yet?
What an utter waste of post, you do realise what time of year we're in don't you? You do actually realise that Onomah could actually get the chance to play in pre season friendlies coming up in his favoured role, maybe it's a good idea to actually wait before you declare anything like that.

'utter stupidity'? Churning out that hyperbole like a true spastic.
Classy fellow, showing your true colours all because of a disagreement on the internet, nothing more pathetic than that. (y)

Like I said before you've gone on to try and discredit people's argument by putting words in their mouths, that's called a straw man argument. Answer me this...If everyone else understood what he was saying then how come Pizza is seemingly so slow that he's hell bent in turning this into an slanging match?
 

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Noble was decent at one point but only a guff version of Parker, proper guff.

There is no other midfielder like Winks, so good under pressure, makes space for himself, aggressive & two footed, I'll be surprised if he isn't first choice by the end of the season
Also he gets his head up and actually likes to influence play as opposed to shifting it sideways and relying on others. And he's only just turned 21. Let's hope his injury was a one-off, if so there's no doubt in my mind he'll be one of the un-droppables soon.
 

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I love Winks, I really do. My only worry is that Poch places so much importance in ball recovery that he might be reticent to fully trust Winks. Although mobile, I feel his pressing and tackling need a lot of work to get up to the levels that Dembele and Wanyama show each match. I believe that what he offers you on the ball more than compensates for these deficiencies but i'm concerned Poch might not see it this way.
 
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@Dougal is on some serious comedic form here.

As for Winks, I like him, I'm not sure how good he will be but he's shown technique, bravery on the ball, vision and work rate so far. On the whole he's played pretty well, nothing spectacular yet but it'll come, he's shown more than Modric did in his first season and a half, also more than Carrick did in his first season and a half, and they were both 22 when they signed for us while Winks is still 21. I'm not suggesting that I think he'll match those two, I hope he does, but he's done more than enough to earn increased responsibility next season as well as patience from our crowd.
 

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I really hope this kid gets his run in the squad. Him sitting next to Wanyama and Dembele in a midfield 3 for some games would be beautiful in my opinion. Additionally him spraying balls out to the wide Serge and Danny while Wanyama just cleans up in a 3 at the back model makes me excited for the future.

He has everything in his locker, he just needs to settle in. I don't buy that he doesn't have the break up play in him as I have seen plenty in his little time on the pitch to suggest that he will be just fine. Especially when we have three at the back and Wanyama in. There is plenty of strength in there to counter a counter attack.
 

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How many full 90 mins has he had? I thInk he needs more full games i.e. a proper run of matches to aid his development and be properly assessed.
 

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He'll be incredibly important over this next month, as there's no way Dembele will be able to play every game.
Agreed but Winks needs a run of four or more matches rather than being in and out of the starting eleven. No point starting more experienced players if they're not fully fit which is perhaps what happened with Wanyama thus creating an even more injured player
 

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I really hope this kid gets his run in the squad. Him sitting next to Wanyama and Dembele in a midfield 3 for some games would be beautiful in my opinion. Additionally him spraying balls out to the wide Serge and Danny while Wanyama just cleans up in a 3 at the back model makes me excited for the future.

He has everything in his locker, he just needs to settle in. I don't buy that he doesn't have the break up play in him as I have seen plenty in his little time on the pitch to suggest that he will be just fine. Especially when we have three at the back and Wanyama in. There is plenty of strength in there to counter a counter attack.
If Dembele is injured (or used elsewhere ) I would rather he played alongside either Dier or Wanyama than having them together in midfield, no matter the opposition.
 

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Not sure if he's ready to start games yet, having withdrawn from international duty (if memory serves me right). Maybe ready for 90 mins in the league cup game?
 

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Looks like he still not right after his injury may take time with him this year.

Was pretty poor and off the pace when he came on today sadly,

Hopefully he gets over the injury as time progresses to get back to the level he was last year