Harry Winks - Leicester City

[@Bobby__Lucky]

Just don't know who his ideal cm partner needs to be? Probably someone stronger with more speed and probably a box to box cm rather then a defensive mid

But who??? Keira type player probably would do it

I think dier partners him well in a 2. Or winks dier and another in a 3

 

[bubble07]

Are you suggesting not playing with a defensive midfielder?

Having two players who can defend and attack is what Im thinking

 

[glospur]

I disagree with you. IMO if we want to fight for big things, we need more than just simply 'retaining possesion' as you said. Yes, I think we should expect more from a player in that position. Some stats from squawka (all per 90 mins):

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I took Milner as he is getting a lot of praise from Live fans and pundits as well so was curious how he will look in my small comaprision.

So when we look at sideway or backward passes he doesn't look bad. But when we look at forward passes, through balls, chances created - then we can see big difference. When it comes to ball touches he is pretty avarage too.

Milner or Fernandinho aren't much better in forward play but when we look at defensive statics, they are much better in this area. Winks has least interceptions - others have 3 times more!

My point is that Winks is not very good in defence, also not very good in attack. He is just avarage player for now. We can't praise him automatically because his a homegrown. We are TOP3 Premier League team. We can't defend him all the time saying 'but he was keeping the position'. We could say that in his first season but eventually he has to start showing something more. IMO he is not doing that this season.

How can you look at that collection of stats and come to the conclusion that he's just average?

What I see when I look at that is a 22 year old who sits very comfortably alongside other players who are at least 4 or 5 years older than him, if not more, and significantly more experienced, who all play in a position where it's generally agreed that you get much better with that age and experience.

I actually think that makes the case that he's doing very well as a midfielder for his age, experience and number of injuries he's had, so thanks for providing the proof of my point.

 

[Dzejkob]

How can you look at that collection of stats and come to the conclusion that he's just average?

What I see when I look at that is a 22 year old who sits very comfortably alongside other players who are at least 4 or 5 years older than him, if not more, and significantly more experienced, who all play in a position where it's generally agreed that you get much better with that age and experience.

I actually think that makes the case that he's doing very well as a midfielder for his age, experience and number of injuries he's had, so thanks for providing the proof of my point.

I watch him playing and think he is avarege. Then I look at collection of stats, compare him to other players and I again come to conclusion that he is avarege. That's how I did it As I said, I don't think stats can proof everything but they are not meaningless.

Is looking comfortably along experienced players an achievement? It's easier to be good around very good players.

He's not a dedicated attacking or defensive nidfielder though. His job is to transition the ball from back to front and disrupt the opponents in possession which he does pretty well. He moves the ball quicker than Dembele and is not afraid to have a run with it either. What he does best is recycling the ball and getting in to the likes of Eiksen, Moura and Son.

Okay I can agree with that. But still I think that we should demand more than that from player in his position. Currently Winks is a player that gives us something different in midfield than Dier, Wanyama or Dembele. But I don't see him as our first choice midfielder in the future if we want to fight for title.

 

[wrd]

I watch him playing and think he is avarege. Then I look at collection of stats, compare him to other players and I again come to conclusion that he is avarege. That's how I did it As I said, I don't think stats can proof everything but they are not meaningless.

Is looking comfortably along experienced players an achievement? It's easier to be good around very good players.


Okay I can agree with that. But still I think that we should demand more than that from player in his position. Currently Winks is a player that gives us something different in midfield than Dier, Wanyama or Dembele. But I don't see him as our first choice midfielder in the future if we want to fight for title.

Can't you appreciate that Uniteds arguably best team (the 2008 team) was built around a player like that in Carrick? Or Barca and Spain with Xavi

 

[JimmyG2]

Something missing here.
1) He's young
2) He's recovering from injury
3) He's one of our own

3) is of course the clincher for many reasons.

1) He is well versed in the clubs approach
2) And in Pochettinos expectations.
3) Goes the extra mile for the badge. Sincerely.

This is not a haiku.

 

[allatsea]

He is still really recovering from a very serious almost career threatening injury. Let’s give him a few games to settle back into the rough and tumble of the Premier League. He missed an important part of his footballing education with that injury. I am sure he will get back to giving those outstanding displays like we saw against RM in Madrid.

 

[glospur]

I watch him playing and think he is avarege. Then I look at collection of stats, compare him to other players and I again come to conclusion that he is avarege. That's how I did it As I said, I don't think stats can proof everything but they are not meaningless.

Is looking comfortably along experienced players an achievement? It's easier to be good around very good players.


Okay I can agree with that. But still I think that we should demand more than that from player in his position. Currently Winks is a player that gives us something different in midfield than Dier, Wanyama or Dembele. But I don't see him as our first choice midfielder in the future if we want to fight for title.

In that case your issue is clearly with your ability to judge players, not Winks' ability.

 

[Dzejkob]

In that case your issue is clearly with your ability to judge players, not Winks' ability.

We will see in a year or two if my judging was right.

Can't you appreciate that Uniteds arguably best team (the 2008 team) was built around a player like that in Carrick? Or Barca and Spain with Xavi

These are types of players we should be looking for! Winks is not Carrick nor Xavi. Yes he is still young, but I do not belive he will ever reach that level.

 

[Bobbins]

Winks has the ability to become a very good player. He is good enough at a wide enough range of skills to be able to become more influential both defensively and when on the attack. His range of passing is decent and is improving.

He's not there yet, which is why he's a bit "average" - not enough influence at either end of the pitch to catch the eye.

This is because he's 22.

With the right coaching and some more definition about exactly what type of CM he wants to be (A DM, a Xavi, an Alonso/Carrick, an Iniesta, or none of those) he will probably develop into a very good player.

He needs his role to be more defined but in order for this to happen he needs to be given time. As it is he's perfectly good enough to keep playing for us and see if that development takes place.

 

[Hakkz]

Having two players who can defend and attack is what Im thinking

Difficult to find as all teams are looking for those types.

 

[razzmaster]

We will see in a year or two if my judging was right.


These are types of players we should be looking for! Winks is not Carrick nor Xavi. Yes he is still young, but I do not belive he will ever reach that level.

Carrick was criminally underrated at Spurs as well

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

We will see in a year or two if my judging was right.


These are types of players we should be looking for! Winks is not Carrick nor Xavi. Yes he is still young, but I do not belive he will ever reach that level.

I don't think you appreciate quite how long it takes this type of player to develop and grow. At Winks' age:
- Carrick was getting relegated with West Ham, then playing in the Championship.
- Scholes was a striker who was just becoming a first team player for United, and hadn't yet made the transition into midfield.
- Xavi was in and out of the Barcelona team, and didn't establish himself as a mainstay and one of the best players in the world until his very late 20s.
- Modric was playing in the Croatian league.
- Busquets had only just been promoted from Barca B. His ascension and quick adaption proves quite how special he was, and I wouldn't consider not matching Busquets a criticism of Winks. But the fact that even Busquets was 22 before making his breakthrough proves quite how unusual it is to break through early in this position.

 

[Shadydan]

I don't think you appreciate quite how long it takes this type of player to develop and grow. At Winks' age:
- Carrick was getting relegated with West Ham, then playing in the Championship.
- Scholes was a striker who was just becoming a first team player for United, and hadn't yet made the transition into midfield.
- Xavi was in and out of the Barcelona team, and didn't establish himself as a mainstay and one of the best players in the world until his very late 20s.
- Modric was playing in the Croatian league.
- Busquets had only just been promoted from Barca B. His ascension and quick adaption proves quite how special he was, and I wouldn't consider not matching Busquets a criticism of Winks. But the fact that even Busquets was 22 before making his breakthrough proves quite how unusual it is to break through early in this position.

Iniesta was 24 before he started matches consistently for Barcelona, Pirlo was also an extremely late bloomer.

There's definately something in that where the role requires a high level of experience, we should be thankful that Winks is playing at the level he's playing at now because the more he plays the more he grows into the role and learns.

 

[Dzejkob]

I don't think you appreciate quite how long it takes this type of player to develop and grow. At Winks' age:
- Carrick was getting relegated with West Ham, then playing in the Championship.
- Scholes was a striker who was just becoming a first team player for United, and hadn't yet made the transition into midfield.
- Xavi was in and out of the Barcelona team, and didn't establish himself as a mainstay and one of the best players in the world until his very late 20s.
- Modric was playing in the Croatian league.
- Busquets had only just been promoted from Barca B. His ascension and quick adaption proves quite how special he was, and I wouldn't consider not matching Busquets a criticism of Winks. But the fact that even Busquets was 22 before making his breakthrough proves quite how unusual it is to break through early in this position.

Nice couple of facts. I admit that I have compared Winks to far more experienced players. But I wanted to show what we should be looking for in midfield and what Winks is missing (for now).

So let me ask you guys another question: in your opinion, should we look for another midfielder or put all our faith on Winks?

 

[Shadydan]

Nice couple of facts. I admit that I have compared Winks to far more experienced players. But I wanted to show what we should be looking for in midfield and what Winks is missing (for now).

So let me ask you guys another question: in your opinion, should we look for another midfielder or put all our faith on Winks?

We should look for another mid to replace Dembele and Wanyama and keep Winks

 

[longtimespur]

Nice couple of facts. I admit that I have compared Winks to far more experienced players. But I wanted to show what we should be looking for in midfield and what Winks is missing (for now).

So let me ask you guys another question: in your opinion, should we look for another midfielder or put all our faith on Winks?

Could always do with a back-up player for rotation and injury cover so my answer would be a BIG yes.

 

[Paolo10]

I think he's a fantastic player, would like him to be a bit braver on the ball at times, but to be fair I have noticed him taking a few more risks driving forward than usual.

Think he should be working on his shooting outside the box, seems to overplay it at times.

 

[wrd]

I don't think we should pigeon hole him either into some definitive style, sometimes I feel like football fans can't understand when a player doesn't fit exactly into an archetype role for example Dembele for us has forever been criminally underrated due to a lack of goals and assists. Lets hope he avoids injuries, gets the experience with England in the summer and a good pre-season under his belt and then next season people will realise just how high a ceiling this kid has.

 

[dtxspurs]

How about we let Winks surpass 35 games in a season before we start comparing him to the best midfielders of all time...